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19 Jan 2015, 10:12 pm

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I am considering migrating to Sweden BECAUSE of its progressiveness.


Have you researched whether or not they will even have you?


If you're an EU citizen (which I am) they will not stop you from coming.

The Swedish government cant stop me from going there any more than the governments of Wyoming or Florida can stop you moving to their states.


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19 Jan 2015, 10:13 pm

In reality most immigrants do not fully integrate into any society with a different language unless they studied and learned the language before they left. Even Americans struggle with language abroad and the EU simply insists everything be written in English so if you speak English, you are covered. Newsflash, insisting all these EU countries have signs in the English language is not integrating. People who speak English as a first language often speak no other and are the first to express intolerance toward non English speakers no matter what country they are in. Native English speakers can be inflexible and hypocritical about this.

It is their children of immigrants who fully integrate because they go to school and are exposed to the new language and this allows them to easily integrate.

Religious clothing of varying types are worn by other religions besides Islam so you can't go by the way a woman dresses as a sign they are integrating. A woman can know customs, speak fluent English or French, and still wear the burqa or hijab daily.



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20 Jan 2015, 6:14 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
In reality most immigrants do not fully integrate into any society with a different language unless they studied and learned the language before they left. Even Americans struggle with language abroad and the EU simply insists everything be written in English so if you speak English, you are covered. Newsflash, insisting all these EU countries have signs in the English language is not integrating.

I take it you've never been to the EU then?



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20 Jan 2015, 6:25 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It is their children of immigrants who fully integrate because they go to school and are exposed to the new language and this allows them to easily integrate.


If the children of immigrants integrate fully then why are so many of the European Syria fighters or ISIS sympathizers second or third generation immigrants? They were born in the EU, educated in EU schools, raised with European values and speak European languages perfectly and still they don't integrate when they reach adulthood and end up radicalised.



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20 Jan 2015, 6:30 am

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It is their children of immigrants who fully integrate because they go to school and are exposed to the new language and this allows them to easily integrate.


If the children of immigrants integrate fully then why are so many of the European Syria fighters or ISIS sympathizers second or third generation immigrants? They were born in the EU, educated in EU schools, raised with European values and speak European languages perfectly and still they don't integrate when they reach adulthood and end up radicalised.

They're a tiny minority.

Generally, the problem isn't that they haven't integrated - it's that after they integrate, they are de-integrated by internet propaganda. You could argue that an "integrated" person wouldn't be swayed in such a way, but the story isn't so different from school shooters.



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20 Jan 2015, 8:42 am

Well, there's this:

http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/sorry-libe ... t-utopias/

I haven't read the book, but the article jibes 100% with what I've been told by assorted Scandinavian émigrés.

Every society or culture has its good and bad points. I wouldn't want to live in an aggressively egalitarian and conformist society, because I'm not just like everybody else and don't want to be. But obviously some people like it just fine.


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21 Jan 2015, 8:42 pm

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I am considering migrating to Sweden BECAUSE of its progressiveness.

I don't know about you but free university courses sounds pretty good to me.
You would like it there its a matriarchal society being over run by illegal immigrants from Radically Islamic countries!


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23 Jan 2015, 12:15 am

Sweden is probably one of the worst countries in the world to try to have a family, for those who are interested in that. The ethnically Swedish women are horrible. And from my impression most of the immigrants become as slu*ty and horrible within one generation. That's probably one of the main reasons why you see a part of those with foreign background become radicalized; their families are broken in pieces, people are alienated. This is what children in Sweden watch on TV in 2015:



But if you're a brain-dead feminist you'll love it here.

I personally think I might have benefited spiritually from living in this Jewish-created wasteland, but I don't see why anyone would want to move here.



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23 Jan 2015, 4:30 pm

I live in Sweden. Dont fall for the propganda about how good Sweden are. Its a s**thole.

The left is ruling with their wicked way of thinking.

You cant give critic to something that is not non-white, for exemple Islam, then you are labbed as a rasist.

The left says that all Swedens white males are rapers, hate women, and are rasist and that they are a big guilt in slavery and all that.

Non-white males are the best.....they are perfect according to the left-people. And the non-white male culture is the best culture, we need to "learn" from this culture becuse white culture = racism and other horrible stuff.

Immigrants everyhere, and 100 000 comming every year, mostly muslims arabs.

Christianity gets bashed all the time.

Jews attacked by palestinian muslims. but no ones talk about becuse it might offend the muslims. Some are blaming the christians and right for the attacks on jews lol.

sh***y streets, workers are bad.

Many whores and pimps, the love beetween a man and a women, the natural thing, marriage, children, dont cheat etc does not existe anymore, everyone is f*****g around. And is hard for the white males to get any. The white wome prefer others, becuse they are exotic....but the non-white girls dont want white males either.

Few jobs, few houses, few money, bad hospital and doctors, only immigrants gets money when they are sick.

Mona Sahlin (one of the leaders for the left) said that if a male swede and a arab male is searching for a job, the arab male should get the job.

If you vote for liberal or right, you are called a nazist. Being against islamism makes you are facist bigotry.

To me its clear, the bible speaks about this that the devil will decive the whole earth. Left+Islam = the great beast, the whore with seven heads, lucifer, satan, devil, fallen star etc.

Immigrant crying all the day about how evil swedish males are. They are not happy that we let them in, they are cyring of silly stuff that many white males have good jobs and are in TV, but it is a white male country, but they dont understrand this, they say its racism....that white males must stop and give up.

The worst part: ISIS members come back to Sweden, around 100, no jailtime, they got jobs and support instead, everyone who do not agree is a nazi and gets charged by the police and hanged out on the internet as a nazi supporter.



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23 Jan 2015, 4:40 pm

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I want to know if there are any Swedes here who can clear it up for me. Now, why is it that the country with some of the most beautiful women (or men), seems to otherwise suck as far as what I've read:

-It's a universal welfare state (HUGE generalization I must admit)
-Excess liberalism/progressiveness
-Ethnic Swedes are quickly disappearing
-Women dying their hair for fear of rape
-It's illegal for parents to spank their kid
-Men can't be kindergarten teachers

"Excess liberalism/progressiveness" is a tricky one to nail down. Could you clarify at all? Is there a specific policy you dislike?

Ethnic Swedes compromise a huge majority of the population - 84%. Another 3% are Finnish and 7% from elsewhere in Europe, largely Norway and Denmark. There is little chance of that changing.

The only references I could find to women dying their hair to avoid being raped were on far-right hate sites like Stormfront. Reliable sources didn't seem to report it. Perhaps it is more widely reported in Sweden.

Males can be pre-school teachers, as far as I can tell. There's no mention of them being banned, as far as I can see. I would be interested in any citation for that claim.



Etnic swedes will soon not be majority, 100 000 non swedes comes every year and it will not stop becuse the left is having to hard grip on Sweden, it will even be more, the want it. Probaly 200 000 + per year soon.

And non-swedes born more babies.

Males can not be pre-school teachers anymore becuse of the assult on children from some men, they are blaming all men becuse of this.

Another thing, Åsa Romson, leader for a left-wing party said that white men must stop driving cars becuse we destory nature...the funny things is that non-white males and womens have more cars togheter than white males have....but she ignore that or is brainwashed to belive that white males are behind all the s**t on the world.



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24 Jan 2015, 4:21 am

I don't know if the percentage of singles is a good measure of alienation, but I've read that Stockholm has the highest percentage of single households of all cities in the world. But I guess this might change over time as you have more Somalis and others. Although I believe that the birthrate of Somalis might go down after they've stayed for a while in this black hole.

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MORE people live alone now than at any other time in history. In prosperous American cities - Atlanta, Denver, Seattle, San Francisco and Minneapolis - 40 percent or more of all households contain a single occupant. In Manhattan and in Washington, nearly one in two households are occupied by a single person. By international standards, these numbers are surprising - surprisingly low. In Paris, the city of lovers, more than half of all households contain single people, and in socialist Stockholm, the rate tops 60 percent.
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/opinion/sunday/living-alone-means-being-social.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Stockholm is the city in the world that has the most one-person households. The single most "single" place is the island of Kungsholmen in central Stockholm. 89% of all the households on this island are one-person households.
source: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1ba03/2a642/

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24 Jan 2015, 4:50 am

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I live in Sweden. Dont fall for the propganda about how good Sweden are. Its a s**thole.

The left is ruling with their wicked way of thinking.

You cant give critic to something that is not non-white, for exemple Islam, then you are labbed as a rasist.

The left says that all Swedens white males are rapers, hate women, and are rasist and that they are a big guilt in slavery and all that.

Non-white males are the best.....they are perfect according to the left-people. And the non-white male culture is the best culture, we need to "learn" from this culture becuse white culture = racism and other horrible stuff.

Immigrants everyhere, and 100 000 comming every year, mostly muslims arabs.

Christianity gets bashed all the time.

Jews attacked by palestinian muslims. but no ones talk about becuse it might offend the muslims. Some are blaming the christians and right for the attacks on jews lol.

sh***y streets, workers are bad.

Many whores and pimps, the love beetween a man and a women, the natural thing, marriage, children, dont cheat etc does not existe anymore, everyone is f*****g around. And is hard for the white males to get any. The white wome prefer others, becuse they are exotic....but the non-white girls dont want white males either.

Few jobs, few houses, few money, bad hospital and doctors, only immigrants gets money when they are sick.

Mona Sahlin (one of the leaders for the left) said that if a male swede and a arab male is searching for a job, the arab male should get the job.

If you vote for liberal or right, you are called a nazist. Being against islamism makes you are facist bigotry.

To me its clear, the bible speaks about this that the devil will decive the whole earth. Left+Islam = the great beast, the whore with seven heads, lucifer, satan, devil, fallen star etc.

Immigrant crying all the day about how evil swedish males are. They are not happy that we let them in, they are cyring of silly stuff that many white males have good jobs and are in TV, but it is a white male country, but they dont understrand this, they say its racism....that white males must stop and give up.

The worst part: ISIS members come back to Sweden, around 100, no jailtime, they got jobs and support instead, everyone who do not agree is a nazi and gets charged by the police and hanged out on the internet as a nazi supporter.
Lets not forget the radical femnazis running everything and implimenting laws that men should pee sitting down!


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24 Jan 2015, 10:42 pm

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-It's illegal for parents to spank their kid


Don't get me started here. I seriously hope more is done to stop such practices.

Also, as a general note, this seems to be a case of "the grass is greener" (or in the OP's case, "the grass is more dry"). I live in the United States which is said to be the world's most developed country, is consistently advancing and leading in technology, etc but I can attest to the many problems that we have (such as obesity and some people not having enough food and people having too much food, privacy, Special ED and the education system in general, some shitty-ass overall attitudes, etc). Sweden may be better, or it may be worse.



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24 Jan 2015, 10:54 pm

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I live in Sweden. Dont fall for the propganda about how good Sweden are. Its a s**thole.

The left is ruling with their wicked way of thinking.

You cant give critic to something that is not non-white, for exemple Islam, then you are labbed as a rasist.

The left says that all Swedens white males are rapers, hate women, and are rasist and that they are a big guilt in slavery and all that.

Non-white males are the best.....they are perfect according to the left-people. And the non-white male culture is the best culture, we need to "learn" from this culture becuse white culture = racism and other horrible stuff.

Immigrants everyhere, and 100 000 comming every year, mostly muslims arabs.

Christianity gets bashed all the time.

Jews attacked by palestinian muslims. but no ones talk about becuse it might offend the muslims. Some are blaming the christians and right for the attacks on jews lol.

sh***y streets, workers are bad.

Many whores and pimps, the love beetween a man and a women, the natural thing, marriage, children, dont cheat etc does not existe anymore, everyone is f*****g around. And is hard for the white males to get any. The white wome prefer others, becuse they are exotic....but the non-white girls dont want white males either.

Few jobs, few houses, few money, bad hospital and doctors, only immigrants gets money when they are sick.

Mona Sahlin (one of the leaders for the left) said that if a male swede and a arab male is searching for a job, the arab male should get the job.

If you vote for liberal or right, you are called a nazist. Being against islamism makes you are facist bigotry.

To me its clear, the bible speaks about this that the devil will decive the whole earth. Left+Islam = the great beast, the whore with seven heads, lucifer, satan, devil, fallen star etc.

Immigrant crying all the day about how evil swedish males are. They are not happy that we let them in, they are cyring of silly stuff that many white males have good jobs and are in TV, but it is a white male country, but they dont understrand this, they say its racism....that white males must stop and give up.

The worst part: ISIS members come back to Sweden, around 100, no jailtime, they got jobs and support instead, everyone who do not agree is a nazi and gets charged by the police and hanged out on the internet as a nazi supporter.


Hate to break it to ya, but the United States is just as bad as the living hell that is Sweden.

The obesity/overweight rate is VERY HIGH, to the point where overweight/obese people make a majority. Unsurpisingly, we have very high rates of diabetes, heart disease, cancers, etc.

The police can't be trusted. Authorities can't be trusted in any way, and they're practically everywhere. Schools, internet usage, etc. It's an incredible monitoring society.

Autistic people over here are treated like s**t. We're practically made the enemy and we're forced into "special education" and a whole bunch of BS. It's not pretty at all. Overall the education system here sucks. It's a complete joke and needs to be destroyed from top to bottom.

Politicians are inept. Nuff said.

People in my country have some of the shittiest attitudes I've ever seen... such as taking a major obsession over social networking status and popularity, being incredibly exclusionary, being so damn arrogant and self-righteous, to not even giving a f**k and being oblivious.

Men and women are expected to serve in specific roles. If not, you get called out for being a p**** or some dumb s**t like that.

Calling someone a "ret*d" or "fag" is okay in a lot of cases.

Ugh.... I could go on and on but you get the point.



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26 Jan 2015, 11:43 am

Probably the biggest contributor to the 'Suckiness' of Sweden and other Scandinavian countries is the Janteloven (in Swedish, the term is Jantelagen), which translated into English is 'Jante's Laws';


You’re not to think you are anything special.
You’re not to think you are as good as us.
You’re not to think you are smarter than us.
You’re not to convince yourself that you are better than us.
You’re not to think you know more than us.
You’re not to think you are more important than us.
You’re not to think you are good at anything.
You’re not to laugh at us.
You’re not to think anyone cares about you.
You’re not to think you can teach us anything.
Perhaps you don’t think I know a few things about you?


Essentially what it means is the collective community matters more than the individual person. Conversely, being differant from the community is either not acknowleged and discussed, unless to scorn those who are differant from said community.

So, in a way even though Sweden and other Scandinavian countries appear to be liberal and progressive, they are actually quite repressive and intolerant of individual liberty.


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