Why patriarchy oppresses men and women alike

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the chance to share this secret world with a man is a pleasure. To him, the need to hide the sexual treasures of his heart and mind from everyone but me is part of an awful burden. As feminism has rightfully laid bare the systematic subjugation of women in all parts of society, and male privilege has become an international watchword, it has also shown us how patriarchy defines and limits the lives of men. A man is expected to be a breadwinner with a stable job, earning enough to support a family in an ideal of upwards mobility that no longer really exists for most of us. He is expected to present as masculine in appearance, taste, and habits. He is expected to be confident, outgoing and sociable, and to know how to fight. A man is socialised to desire a specific type of woman, to marry, to father children, and to provide them with a better life and prospects than he himself has enjoyed. He is expected to be entirely heterosexual, and entirely monogamous. And, although society grants him far more leeway in regards to sexuality than it does a woman, a man is expected to be virile, sexually active, and uncomplicated in his tastes. He is allowed to penetrate, but not to be penetrated; to control, but not to surrender; to enjoy the grace, sensuality, and sex appeal of a woman, but never to wish to express these traits himself

The "patriarchy" is an outdated concept in modern feminism. Feminism don't always think of misogyny and sexism as being from the patriarchy, there no reason to assume that misogyny and sexism isn't equally matriarchal.

Gender role are reinforced by parents, and they have done experiment on this, using an adult a child dress as the opposite sex and a selection of gender related toys. There is nothing to support that one parricidal gender re-enforcing these roles solely, they both do it without prompting.

Identity is important, and some people will always identify with stereotypical positions, and they are entitled to. The point is to allow the choice.

Having a concept like the patriarchy to blame things on don't actually help one jot. It doesn't help understanding or equality.

It is would be very difficult to prove biologically, and actually a pointless exercise.

Yes but you are positing that this suggestion is part of patriarchy conspiracy. When really it part of a culture shared by both men and women alike.

I mean think about it what is "the patriarchy", it one of those catch all concept the the proletariat. Catch all concept rarely are useful is solving problems.

Feminism strives unknowingly toward a society of asexual androgynes. But I doubt that is what it will actually achieve, and what the conscious planners think of. I think the end result is alienation and the end of a section of humanity in the physical world, meaning they will be celibates. You'll have a generation of autistics and psychotics. And you'll have to import somalis to take care of their diapers when they get old.

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What rubbish.

Perhaps traditional gender roles and stereotypes exist because that's how we evolved?

So patriarchy in the sense that men have had more of a say in the development of culture and society? Probably true, but the effects of this are so vast I'm not sure who's oppressed and who's not.
Seems that marriage is becoming less of the institution it once was with divorce and single parenting being more normal. Until 1982 I was the only kid in the class with a single parent. Now I wouldn't be surprised if more are than not.
In 50 years, who knows what it will be like. I suspect the importance of coupling will diminish even further as both sexes realize that it is not necessary to have a husband/wife.
I think this will be good as it will create a more level playing field and maybe people will marry because they mean it.

Nobody cares, the only focus is on how women are oppressed, since men run the patriarchy the ones being oppressed are not important and need to check their privilege.

its funny how the usual MRAs immediately jump into defensive mode before reading the thread properly.

This thread isn't about feminism, its about men's rights for once, or at least non conventional beta men.