Why patriarchy oppresses men and women alike

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That's funny but I'm dead serious. I think it's about as easy to manipulate a grown woman in political questions as it is to influence a little girl to crave such a doll. And they are about equally annoying.

This thread is awful... the thought train seems to have stopped at Generalisation Central

The women in this thread prove my point. It could have been a good thread if it wasn't for their closed minds. Feminism has nothing to do with thinking for most of its proponents, it's pure emotion and ego.

I think I remember being criticized for not taking Baby Alive seriously enough. To people who bought one, it was just like a real baby and if you were a girl child and you didn't like Baby Alive you were a monster heathen or something and were destined to be a rotten parent and should be barred from having any offspring forever and ever and ever. How you reacted to and treated Baby Alive was proof of how good a parent you would make in the future and if you happily cleaned up all that fake poo with a smile, correctly diapered Baby Alive, then swaddled and rocked her, you would do your parents proud blessing them with well cared for and loved grandkids. Baby Alive was the true test of what you were made of.

Not all females are cut-out or nurtured in early childhood to be a mother. And for the females who are not cut out or nurtured this way, unfortunately, wet nurses are hard to come these days.

There are at least some silver linings to be found in darkness, and perhaps that was one silver lining during the days of slavery as nurturing mammas were ALL THE RAVE, in darker skin way, back in 'them days'.

I have a hunch that if Baby Alive is reintroduced today, Baby Alive, might not be nearly as popular as HE OR SHE was, 'back in the day'. And that might just be part of a REAL metaphorical Zombie Apocalypse that is part of TODAY.

AND whether or not, it is politically correct to bring out the truth, the truth is that the feminism revolution of last century, starting with the pill, and women in the workforce, IS related to this 'Zombie Apocalypse, at least, in part.

Primates, human or not, require the touchy feely OXYTOCIN kind of LOVE from a primate mother or surrogate mother during the first two years of life, for successful humanity, primate or not.

And of course, there are many other factors that FEED into the present day Zombie Apocalypse that can also be measured, in part, per scientific study that shows that college-age adults have lost approximately 30 Percent of Empathy in longitudinal studies that measure empathy in empirical ways among these college-age adults.

And of course, Simon Baron Cohen's AQ, Autism Quotient test that many folks self-diagnose with that measures empathizing VS systemizing traits in human beings, is at least correlated with this overall phenomenon, per the RISING RATE OF AUTISM, in 'our' modern day.

YES, IT'S true that some cases of Autism are associated with mostly innate factors like fragile X syndrome, and YES, IT'S ALSO TRUE, no matter how NOT politically correct it is to say the truth, as science is 'learning' now, there is most definitely a REFRIGERATOR MOTHER component, as an influencing factor, in at least SOME cases of Autism, as well.

But again, even with the MOST nurturing parents, per the first two years of life and child development, some folks are just NOT CUT-OUT to have children for innate reasons MOSTLY.

AND that likely has something to do with increased levels of androgens and or decreased levels of the nurturing kind of neurohormones, as well, per just two examples, of testosterone and oxytocin, respectively.

Unfortunately, women who are in this 'boat', often find themselves in the minority of other females who ARE NOT but again, my hunch is thIS issue is decreasing, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, FOR humanity, overall.

Mother Nature TRUE aka GOD, will sort it all out, in the end, and for NOW.

Perhaps 'she thinks' humans have WORN OUT THeRE WELCOME, on planet earth.

But I for one, do not know, 'HER WHOLE MIND'.

There's a signficant differemce between wanting a child, and being a competent father or mother - for both sexes.

I agree.

Yes to the max

I never thought of Baby Alive as something that needed nurturing. To me it wasn't really living. I never got into pretending dolls or other toys were alive. Some people can do it but to me it's a complete waste of time nurturing and pampering a piece of plastic. It would never occur to me to treat a living person like a toy. Besides, I much preferred all my toys in the form of horses as a kid anyway.

Some little girls like toy babies and some like toy horses.

I liked matchbox cars and toy trains cause I could move.. Baby move 'em..

Baby dolls were creepy to me.. Twilight Zone..Uncanny Valley for me...

But my imagination was extreme in both empathy and mirror neuron way...

And cats I can take care of.. But perhaps Nature's message when I had a child who didn't make it was.. Don't do that again..

At 54.. Now.. I tend to doubt I'll ever know for sure if try again was the answer...

Some people do change greatly in nurturing way when they offspring a part of them to carry on in both a literal and metaphorical way..

"Of course if you did think of The Wizard of Oz you should consider yourself a genius."

Sam Harris

I watched the entire documentary and found it to be very amusing that Mr. Harris has spent this much of his life proving that human CONSCIOUS thoughts are not reality per relative human free will.

It is controlling senses and emotions without language THAT IS RELATIVE FREE WILL.

BUT OF COURSE, unless Mr. Harris has developed this ability THOUGH, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, with his so-called subconscious mind below abstract constructs of VERBAL LANGUAGE thought, Mr. Harris has missed the boat on the reality of fulfilling human relative free will, and that in itself COULD have saved him lots of time and effort.

BUT AGAIN, it's amusing for folks 'in the know', and it certainly brings even more credence that GOD PER MOTHER NATURE TRUE IS in CONTROL.

BUT some of 'US' work with 'her' AND DO CREATE TOO.

YOGI'S CAN CONTROL their brain waves and steam heat off of icy robes in icy pools of water.

They do it through relative SUBCONSCIOUS CONTROL of human systems, aka RELATIVE FREE WILL that are supposedly beyond human control BUT ARE DEFINITELY NOT, for those who DO LEARN to practice RELATIVE free WILL to control human BEING that science USED TO SAY ARE NOT humanly controllable.

Perhaps, if Mr. Harris expanded his narrow specialization of study, that too, could have saved him a great deal of time and effort for what eastern philosophies have been proving FOR LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF YEARS, AND NOW science too, in fields out of his speciality of study.

But sure, IF people think they have FULL CONTROL OVER THEIR THOUGHTS, THEY ARE SADLY MISTAKEN, AS THEY are mostly a product of human feelings/senses of the full reality that exists both subconsciously and consciously in full human being, who has developed skills associated with RELATIVE FREE WILL.

SOME FOLKS HAVE IT, AND some folks don't. It's as simple as that. And just because Mr. Harris doesn't experience relative free will in his perception of his Universe does not change the reality that some folks DO, FOR EVEN ONE SECOND OF NOW OR IN THE FUTURE OF THOUGHTS FOR those who DO IN THEir VERY DIFFERENT perception of reality.

I am stronger than 21 year old Marines, AT 54 YEARS old, and can prove it, not because of human thoughts BUT BECAUSE OF THE PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, OF CONTROLLING MY SUBCONSCIOUS ABILITIES IN MIND AND BODY BALANCE through relative free will; no different REALLY than the run of the mill Yogi, who has developed the ability for HUMAN RELATIVE FREE WILL, too. And that's just one little relative free will example.

I'm not impressed.

But truly to each his or her own, per their own will, free or not, is what I say, about all things human that are usually not Universal.

And most amusing of all is his ending philosophy is almost identical to what gnostic records of Jesus are per MOTHER NATURE TRUE and Unconditional healing love

PERHAPS SAM is the reincarnated version of Jesus, and that would prove that MOTHER NATURE TRUE has a unique sense of humor.

Patriarchy is obviously a failed system. Ancient Kemet(Egypt) was once a matriarchy up until the takeover by those Geco-Romans and forced Kemet to assimilate into the unsuccessful patriarchy.

If you lived through the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, particularly as a woman, you might have a more accurate view of the positive changes that feminism has brought about since the second wave of feminism challenging the inequities and double standards which began in the 1970s. However, then again Tomato you might not, as you seem to think in particularly unusual ways and have some kind of anti-woman bias at times.

Too bad there isn't a sad thread sub-forum. This thread would make a good entry.