My Tinder Regional Experiment - 6 countries, 6 days.
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^The white-dominated areas I tried so far are (100 swipes for every area): Moscow (Russia), Kiev (Ukrain), Berlin (Germany), Nijmegen(Holland), Houston (US) - Izmir(Turkey), Melbourne and Sydney (Australia): I only got less than 10 White matches out of all those countries - the rest were of the non-white minorities. ie. 13 black african/mixed in houston, Asians in Aus.
The Asian-dominated areas: Manila (Philippines), Bali (IN), Tokyo (JP) - I got out of all these 3 countries 70+ total, Japan bit less than the other two, matches, not counting transgenders and spambots, ALL matches were Asians, none of the matches there was white despite that had been a lot of tourists.
I only tried two Arab areas, both in Morocco: Casablanca and Rabat; got 50+ of those alone. All Arabs.
Now you need to find an explanation why.
I think that based on your appearance many Europeans will stereotype you as Muslim, and probably one of the minorities like Moroccans or Algerians. Maybe that influences them more than physical attraction.
I think most white Europeans are brunettes btw, at least their natural hair color.
In Canada, Toronto is by far the most multicultural city and you could stretch the results to within 50 Miles radius or so as well. Be interesting to see the results. My understanding is that Montreal also has a decent sized Arab and Muslim population, but keep in mind that the French spoken there is different from elsewhere (Quebecois French is kinda weird). Ottawa has a lot of government workers, Techies and students and you might have some luck. I would think if you tried this experiment in Vancouver that you would not have a whole lot of luck though.
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Hmm South Korea had a low rate, lower than any asian country but the sample weren't that active.
I think that based on your appearance many Europeans will stereotype you as Muslim, and probably one of the minorities like Moroccans or Algerians. Maybe that influences them more than physical attraction.
I think most white Europeans are brunettes btw, at least their natural hair color.
Yeah, I thought about this too, I think there's racism/stereotyping at play here.
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Something else I noticed about Tinder: 886, you're wrong, it's only the majority of guys who use it as a hookup app (as it was originally marketed) but the majority of girls are using it for DATING - at least most of those who chatted with me where going from a serious dating perspective.
And here are some interesting stats:
Do some simple math and you realize there's a LOT of rejection happening on Tinder. In fact, rejection could be happening 988 million times per day. The odds, just like in real-world dating, are not in your favor.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tinder-r ... z3QQaqgj6Y
That's like a 1.2% rate of matching.
I bet this how it's happening:
Guys swipe right right right right right right occasionally left right right right right right
Girls swipe left left left left left left left left left left occasionally right left left left left left
My autistic friend uses either this, or a copycat app.
It's his main specialization, for some reason.
He's from Greece, and is clearly not quite white.
African American ladies (they're all roughly 18ish like him) are about 1/3 of the girls that add him, yet they only represent only 3-5% of the local population.
This has been consistent across different dating software. He's in this weird place where he's like half a visible minority.
It all reminds me of when i was answering questions on one of those dating sites that just asks you infinite questions:
Would you date a black person?
Would you date an asian person?
Would you date a person of a different race?
Would you date a person of a different religion?
Would you date a person of a different denomination?
It was incessant, and all the question were USER GENERATED.
(The only question that got asked more frequently was if i was a top or not.)
There's a dude with a giant swastika tattoo on his forehead, somewhere, saying: "This site gets me."
As far as i can tell in terms of visual attraction, at the current time, in most of the world's society, white likes white, and other likes other. It seems to be that simple?
60's America is alive and well, if only in visual based dating apps.
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That's consistent with my Houston experiment. However, an another app, "Skout" I got a lot of interest from Eastern Europeans too, mostly Russians, but they usually show me pics alone at first then after some conservation they show me pics of them with their child lol, but Tinder in Russia was mostly zero for me.
Btw, I am having fun in engaging trolling chats with my tinder "matches" (hence I will never meet them in life), just as an example:
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Interesting experiment & results.
I live in the Vancouver area where we have a VERY diverse population w/ immigrants from all over the world. Fortunately for me, we also have the largest gay population in the country, so there are a lot of guys to chat with. However, there aren't a lot of the guys I'm most attracted to so I've thought about hopping on some gay chat/hookup sites/apps I use & chatting with guys in other locations around the world… but I haven't really thought about changing my location to see if I got messages from the kinds of guys I'm interested in in other locations. Hmmm, I might have to try that out.. not sure if there's a way to change/spoof location on apps - but if you were able to do it with tinder then it must be able to be done. Hmmm.. maybe I'll try this out for fun sometime.
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Ontario, Canada and Houston have similar cultures, basically, at their core, i suppose.
Here's a good line:
"I recently got divorced. She took everything, even the plane! I just can't handle being alone anymore."
This should rouse some interest.
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Toronto rate is being good so far, 12 matches out of 100 so far in the first 2 hours and and ethnically mixed (Latina/Arab/Asian) and 3 obviously European-white; - (note that I randomly swipe right the first 100 regardless of activity- a lot happen to be inactive or rarely active).
About stereotyping, that probably happens a lot on tinder: Since all you see is how someone looks, you have to fill in the rest. So if someone looks like a foreigner or minority and not like the majority population, they'll get more negative hits. In Europe it might help to have something in your picture that identifies you as non-Muslim, like an atheist or Christian shirt or a beer
Oh, and I find French a really ugly language. Good thing I'm born on the right side of the Rhine, where the Romans didn't go
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I live in the Vancouver area where we have a VERY diverse population w/ immigrants from all over the world. Fortunately for me, we also have the largest gay population in the country, so there are a lot of guys to chat with. However, there aren't a lot of the guys I'm most attracted to so I've thought about hopping on some gay chat/hookup sites/apps I use & chatting with guys in other locations around the world… but I haven't really thought about changing my location to see if I got messages from the kinds of guys I'm interested in in other locations. Hmmm, I might have to try that out.. not sure if there's a way to change/spoof location on apps - but if you were able to do it with tinder then it must be able to be done. Hmmm.. maybe I'll try this out for fun sometime.
Just install a gps location fake, you can easily do it on an android or jailbroken iphone.
It should work on any app using gps.
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I got 32 matches in Toronto, in particular are Arabs, Persians and Asians.
But that out of 200 swipes this time, not 100, I was curious to see how much I will get with a second go.
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And Europeans are racists, but that is nothing new.
As it seems from this experiment, that women don't generally like to stray far from the communities they belong to.
Maybe your theory is correct, a "Muslim-looking" person would probably make the Europeans think Polygamy/Veil/Islamist/Boom-boom , so no wonder the reaction would be swiping left.
But that still doesn't explain why the Far-Eastern/Western Asians and Western/African Blacks (most of those are non-muslim either) are more inclined to tolerate my "Muslim-looks".
This experiment is really fascinating, think about it, a same specimen (me in this case) is seen attractive by 20% to 30% of samples of women in some countries there while it's seen attractive by barely 1% in other countries. Like....wow...really, wow.
That's sad, this experiment also shows that it doesn't seem that what's seen as attractive is really that individualistic like some of our ladies fellas keep to convince us here (YES WP ladies, I am pointing at you!! )- but there's seem to be strongly influenced by environment, in other word, if you are seen as ugly by the first 100-200 women you encounter in some community/country, then changes that you'tr screwed and you're probably generally seen as ugly by the vast majority of the women of this community/country, there's not much individualistic taste in that.
So yeah bottom line for WP guys: If you feel that you are seen unattractive by the majority of women living in your country/community then that's probably true, and it would be wiser to look elsewhere if you can. And yes, guys also deserve to seek for "The one" and not only women should do that, and for that you would need a lot of suitors - Like how most women do, you need a constant NUMBERS of suitors willing to date you in order to filter them through, (and no it's not enough to get one date once in a blue moon for that), otherwise you would either stay alone or pick whatever the only (or of the very few) choice(s) you may get, and the latter way can end up even worse.
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