Jim Jefferies on US gun control

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22 Feb 2015, 3:16 am

chagya wrote:

Take it from someone who has attempted suicide by OD. It is not "painless", and the mess of a "head shot" is the farthest thing from a persons mind when they are preparing to pull that trigger.

If you do it properly, it should be painless. Like putting a dog down--they feel nothing. Using the incorrect medications and doses is your fault, not the fault of the means. It's like those people who blow their faces off/apart with a shotgun--they messed up.

And did you know that women often shoot themselves in the chest instead of the head when using a firearm for suicide (look it up, it's true)? That's not going to be painless, and it's because of not wanting to mess up their heads.

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22 Feb 2015, 3:30 am

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Take it from someone who has attempted suicide by OD. It is not "painless", and the mess of a "head shot" is the farthest thing from a persons mind when they are preparing to pull that trigger.

Have you been in that situation? How do you know it would be painless "if done right"? Even for the dog.

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22 Feb 2015, 3:51 am

chagya wrote:

Have you been in that situation? How do you know it would be painless "if done right"? Even for the dog.

Yeah, and anyone that has surgery knows what it's like (minor procedures too). Instant fade to black.

Of course, intravenously is quicker than orally, but it'll come on quickly enough once it's absorbed in the gut. It'll probably be more pleasant with the latter, as you'll feel the sedatives working on you slower--a calm and happy feeling until your body shuts down painlessly (you'll be unconscious by that time).

Jumping off a high enough building is probably painless too if done right (and everyone has access to such), but people do worry about the mess (yeah, it's pretty odd how people do, but they do).

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22 Feb 2015, 10:20 am

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A moron preaching to morons. My gun control challenge thread is still open, if anyone has a serious argument to make.

a lot of ad hominem against Jim Jefferies but no actual rebuttals or deconstruction of what he said. Thats a pretty big indictment of the quality of the pro gun argument.

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22 Feb 2015, 3:07 pm

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a lot of ad hominem against Jim Jefferies but no actual rebuttals or deconstruction of what he said. Thats a pretty big indictment of the quality of the pro gun argument.

Most Americans I know look down on Europe and Canada for several reasons, one because of high taxes. SOCIALISM! they scream.

Maybe our guns will spare us that fate. We want the government to fear us. We want the government thinking that at any momement a group of citizens could rise up and gun them down with super-power assualt weapons, if they dare take away our freedoms.

In Colorado there were two Democrat gun-control sentators that got recalled after passing a gun control law, because Conservative Democrats like their guns. This put the fear in the other Democrats to shutup about gun control. This event has its own wikipage now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_r ... tion,_2013

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22 Feb 2015, 3:14 pm

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a lot of ad hominem against Jim Jefferies but no actual rebuttals or deconstruction of what he said. Thats a pretty big indictment of the quality of the pro gun argument.

I fisked the same guy the last time someone posted this, I don't feel the need to do so again:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=266478

Really, if this is the best argument for gun control you can come up with, you're even worse at this than I thought, and I thought you were really bad before.

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22 Feb 2015, 3:24 pm

In the United States, at least, until its Second Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America is repealed or amended, it remains one of our supreme laws of the land. In 2010 and 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that the Second Amendment was an individual, personal right guaranteed by the Constitution (in fact, all nine justices, conservative and liberal agreed with that determination) and that the Second Amendment provisions were incorporated to the several states and their local governments.

Given this recent overall review of the Second Amendment and the landmark statuses of its two Court cases, it is extremely unlikely that the matter will be revisited in the next generation, at least.

Of course, the Congress or the legislatures of the several states could attempt to repeal or amend the Second Amendment. In fact, it is the only possible way that the current status would change.

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22 Feb 2015, 8:01 pm

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• What business is it of any foreigner what we do over here? If he’s afraid of guns in this country then simply stay out. Last time I checked, bullets aren't capable of trans-oceanic flight.

As he said in his routine-

He came into the country legally, pays his taxes and maintains a positive contribution which gives him the right to say what he thinks while he's in America.

Paying taxes is probably the only contribution he makes here. He sure as hell fails as a comedian.

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The first amendment gives him the right to say "the second amendment eats d*cks*" as he put it.

And it gives me the right to say he eats dicks, too

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Unless you are a native American yourself, you don't really have the right to bemoan 'foreigners' in your country, in any shape or form.

Since I was born here I am a native of America and I’ll call foreigners foreigners if I want.

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• Of course, he adds the tiresome bit about suicide and that we all get sad and subsequently shoot ourselves.

And its still a valid point. Killing yourself via other means requires more effort.

With all the guns I have I must have killed myself dozens of times by that logic. In fact, as I write this there’s a .40 caliber Glock in the drawer only inches from my hands. Why do I feel no compulsion to off myself?

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• The second amendment as it applied to the militia during the federalist era and how it only pertains to musketry. Nothing new here that I haven’t already addressed sufficiently in past gunz-r-bad threads…..

Its still valid that if you can afford to buy guns on the black market in Australia or any other country then its unlikely you're an amateur criminal.

For some reason pro-gun people can't figure that part out in their heads.

Then I guess I need to get into the black market in Australia where I could make a fortune….

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22 Feb 2015, 8:04 pm

Who is Jim Jeffries, and why should I care?

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22 Feb 2015, 8:28 pm

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The #1 reason for guns where I am at in Michigan, USA is for 'Hunting'. Hunting and fishing are very popular. People will have a huge display of their different rifles, crossbows, handguns, and heads of animals. Perhaps hunting is not as popular in Australia?
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Hunting is in many countries, even in big brother UK. The difference in America though you have military grade weapons with unnecessarilly high rates of fire available in everyday retailers. The popularity of hunting is not an argument for publically available assault rifles though which was the main thrust of the stand up routine above.

Not hardly.

In reality, there are people in prison for the simple crime of possessing a weapon with a defect that allowed it to shoot several shots very quickly.

US citizens can often acquire machine guns, but it is quite a difficult and lengthy process to get the permits. I have never seen such a weapon in any gun shop.

Remember that what people call assault rifles are not military grade weapons at all. They just have some cosmetic/design features that may be found on some military grade weapons.

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22 Feb 2015, 8:29 pm

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Statistically you're eighty percent more likely to shoot yourself with it since we all go through 'low periods' where we think irrationally.

Did you make that up or do you have actual cites for that?

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22 Feb 2015, 8:32 pm

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Statistically you're eighty percent more likely to shoot yourself with it since we all go through 'low periods' where we think irrationally.

Did you make that up or do you have actual cites for that?

He made it up.

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22 Feb 2015, 8:36 pm

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chagya wrote:

Have you been in that situation? How do you know it would be painless "if done right"? Even for the dog.

If you really wanted a guaranteed painless suicide, one approach would be to use a method that would result in death so fast that you would be obliterated faster than the nerve impulses could travel to the brain. Being struck by an asteroid a half mile in diameter comes to mind.

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22 Feb 2015, 8:37 pm

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Who is Jim Jeffries, and why should I care?

That's the question we all should be asking. I'm glad you thought of it.

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22 Feb 2015, 8:40 pm

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Who is Jim Jeffries, and why should I care?

That's the question we all should be asking. I'm glad you thought of it.

Thomas81 should have thought of it first. But if he had, he'd have never started this thread in the first place.

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22 Feb 2015, 8:44 pm

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eric76 wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Who is Jim Jeffries, and why should I care?

That's the question we all should be asking. I'm glad you thought of it.

Thomas81 should have thought of it first. But if he had, he'd have never started this thread in the first place.

I usually just ignore videos anyway. I don't want to waste ten minutes listening to a bunch of drivel that I could read in one minute.

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