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AspieUtah
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28 Feb 2015, 8:07 pm

The U.S. Supreme Court opinions about prayer in schools, students clubs in schools, free speech in schools and symbolic speech in schools makes it abundantly clear that students have rights, too. Just about every public school in the United States observes this fact unless the student's behavior in disruptive to the academic activities there. Mere clothing, silent protests, newspapers, fliers, associations and religious expression aren't considered disruptive per se, unless the ability to teach is interfered.

It seems to me that hair styles are also a student's liberty and choice.


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28 Feb 2015, 8:26 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
The U.S. Supreme Court opinions about prayer in schools, students clubs in schools, free speech in schools and symbolic speech in schools makes it abundantly clear that students have rights, too. Just about every public school in the United States observes this fact unless the student's behavior in disruptive to the academic activities there. Mere clothing, silent protests, newspapers, fliers, associations and religious expression aren't considered disruptive per se, unless the ability to teach is interfered.

It seems to me that hair styles are also a student's liberty and choice.


Not when they are used to signify gang affiliation and yes kids fighting over gang affiliation does tend to disrupt the school :roll: . And when you are in school you have rules. In the real world, do you acknowledge the plain fact you have to follow rules? Some of what I am reading here doesn't even seem based in reality. I know everyone here follows some sort of established order in real life because that's just reality. Traffic laws, for instance. Otherwise you don't have the liberty to do what you enjoy doing. You would be in trouble all the time and might be in a place you do not wish to be. So I know people reading this follow some sort of boundary setting rules in life. You can post anything in a forum but what do you do in your real life?



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28 Feb 2015, 8:45 pm

Do tell us more about your gang knowledge. I would assume you are a law enforcement professional with extensive specialist training in gang behaviour and hairstyles or are a gang member yourself, right? Or are you a person talking about what you know very little about?



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28 Feb 2015, 8:45 pm

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Do tell us more about your gang knowledge. I would assume you are a law enforcement professional with extensive specialist training in gang behaviour and hairstyles or are a gang member yourself, right? Or are you a person talking about what you know very little about?

I advocate listening to the school board, the school, teachers and principal, not public personas. If parents have a problem, they need to go settle it with their community. It's a community issue.



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28 Feb 2015, 8:54 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Not when [hair styles] are used to signify gang affiliation....

What you are describing is a kind of pre-crime; "his hair style suggested that he might do something criminal, therefore, it should be prohibited." The Constitution for the United States of America prohibits such pre-crime law enforcement.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...when you are in school you have rules. In the real world, do you acknowledge the plain fact you have to follow rules...?

When such rules violate the Constitution, they are unconstitutional and repugnant. No individual is under a legal obligation to observe them or comply with their provisions (see Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)).

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...You can post anything in a forum but what do you do in your real life?

Almost everything I have done in the last 35 years has involved constitutional law. You?


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28 Feb 2015, 8:56 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Not when [hair styles] are used to signify gang affiliation....

What you are describing is a kind of pre-crime; "his hair style suggested that he might do something criminal, therefore we should prohibit it." The Constitution for the United States of America prohibits such pre-crime law enforcement.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...when you are in school you have rules. In the real world, do you acknowledge the plain fact you have to follow rules...?

When such rules violate the Constitution, they are unconstitutional and repugnant. No individual is under a legal obligation to observe them or comply with their provisions (see Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)).

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...You can post anything in a forum but what do you do in your real life?

Almost everything I have done in the last 35 years has involved constitutional law. You?


You're rad. That is all. Have a nice day. 8)



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28 Feb 2015, 9:03 pm

You have to keep in mind this is school we are talking about, AspieUtah and like it or not most schools have a dress code. I managed to wear what I wanted without interfering with the school's dress code which basically read no drug or alcohol related clothing, no swear words, nothing too suggestive as in short shorts and mini skirts. We couldn't wear shorts, basically, unless they went to where our knees were. We couldn't wear hats. Now, most schools have broadened that to include things like gang related colors and the one school in Houston has outlawed hairstyle and scalp printing or graphics that are affiliated with gangs. When I was in school we didn't have gang related colors so it wasn't needed but we still had drugs, alcohol, swear words, all on articles like shirts and hats. Kids got in trouble for wearing them. They were required to turn the shirt inside out for the rest of the day but we could still wear plenty of concert shirts.

So, it is not unreasonable to hear a school has enforced it's dress code but it is kinda going too far marking on someone. They should never interfere with a person's personhood imo, just with the clothing. They should have figured something else out but I strongly support enforcing the rules because they are there for a reason and if the dress code says no the school must act.

And if you honestly believe a school is this free for all that has no rules just because of the constitution, that was never how it was anywhere I went to school. EVERY school had a dress code. I have experience actually going to a public school so yes I know about it.