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28 Feb 2015, 4:21 pm

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And she's fine with stoning the adulteresses - why only the adulteresses? - so much of a hypocrite pro-equality, what a scum.

and I wouldn't be surprised if she does "adultery" behind the doors.

I like this youtube's title more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcqHlegEC4k

"Riham Said is an Idiot and munafiq"

munafiq means hypocrite in Arabic.

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Egyptian TV host Riham Said is neither a good Muslim nor a courageous atheist but she is an idiot and hypocrite. She is simply going with what is easy instead of challenging herself. She will not wear hijab nor can she handle people who question religion. She does not have enough courage to be an atheist and does not have enough true din to be a good muslim.


Hmm, I noticed before that for Muslims whether someone is a hypocrite is somehow a big deal, the murderer of Theo van Gogh made a point of saying that his victim was not a hypocrite at his trial, he kept repeating that.
I just looked at the English wikipedia, and there is even an article on there called munafiq, and it is about Islam and hypocrisy.
I prefer to call such people pragmatists, or just cynical people (I consider both terms compliments).

As for why the women should be stoned and not the men, maybe they stole that bit from the bible. I remember reading some Old Testament bit about animal sex and how women should not have sex with animals and be killed if they did, but it didn't say anything about men.


In the everyday life the word munafiq simply means hypocrite regardless of the islamic meaning of the word, Arab christians use the same word for hypocrite.

The Arabic wiki explains the two meanings of munafiq, the common meaning and the religious meaning.
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%82

Go to this to the wiki page, seek for "English" on the bottom right, and you'll see that the equivalent page in English is Hypocrisy.



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28 Feb 2015, 4:44 pm

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It is not that they are not "normal", I'm not going to be a hypocrite and dehumanize them. The problem is paranoia and neurosis. It is something that can be rectified individually, but en-mass it is difficult to make a change, especially is if is deeply engrained, and intergenerational.


Seriously, people who want the hand chopping and stoning are not normal. The crazy stuff this woman said is not normal, it is fundie-crazy talk. She went completely apeshit when the other woman said she didn't believe Mohammed was a prophet, an opinion shared by the overwhelming majority of humans. I just said that if the majority of Egyptians are ok with ideas like this, then they would turn into a fundie state by democratic vote, no jihadis needed. Just because the majority wants something does not make it ok. I hope this is not the case though.
Oh, and I'm not dehumanising someone when I say they are crazy fundies. They are still human, they are just ignorant as*holes.



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28 Feb 2015, 5:01 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
In the everyday life the word munafiq simply means hypocrite regardless of the islamic meaning of the word, Arab christians use the same word for hypocrite.

The Arabic wiki explains the two meanings of munafiq, the common meaning and the religious meaning.
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%82

Go to this to the wiki page, seek for "English" on the bottom right, and you'll see that the equivalent page in English is Hypocrisy.


Ah, interesting. My Arabic is not that good though (meaning I can't read a single letter). I hear the grammar is quite difficult as well.
So the English wiki has seperate pages for the Islamic meaning and the normal meaning. I looked at the extremely short Dutch (Nederlands) page and one of the few things it says about hypocrisy is that accusing someone of being a hypocrite to disqualify his arguments is a fallacy :D
L'hypocrisie est un hommage que le vice rend à la vertu. (François de La Rochefoucauld)



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28 Feb 2015, 5:20 pm

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Seriously, people who want the hand chopping and stoning are not normal. The crazy stuff this woman said is not normal, it is fundie-crazy talk. She went completely apeshit when the other woman said she didn't believe Mohammed was a prophet, an opinion shared by the overwhelming majority of humans. I just said that if the majority of Egyptians are ok with ideas like this, then they would turn into a fundie state by democratic vote, no jihadis needed. Just because the majority wants something does not make it ok. I hope this is not the case though.
Oh, and I'm not dehumanising someone when I say they are crazy fundies. They are still human, they are just ignorant as*holes.


Sorry yes I take your point. What I mean is indoctrination, and conformity are sadly normal in some places.

The broader point about neurosis and paranoia is this extensional and victim mindset that is all too prevalent. This is why there is an absence of real stability.



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28 Feb 2015, 5:25 pm

See it doesn't matter is they are Salafist or Nasserists, this mindset of mutual suspicion and paranoia is two sides of the same coin.

People hedge their bets, but neither solution is viable long term.



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28 Feb 2015, 5:46 pm

Riham seems to think of God as her sugar daddy.



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28 Feb 2015, 5:49 pm

I think the problem is more that the Middle-east does not have a civil society beyond the sectarian groups. By civil society I mean different independant newspapers, unions, NGOs, political parties that are non-sectarian/secular. In Europe you sometimes have dozens of different political parties, going so far as having Old People Parties and Animal Rights Parties, many of them have newspapers and tv stations that are not "of" the party but aligned with them. There are socialist unions, Christian unions, and even anti-union unions. From what I understand in Egypt you basically have the dictator party (for lack of a better word) and the Muslim Brotherhood, and both suck. Iraq, Lebanon and Syria are highly sectarian and many parties will identify with their sect/ethnicity instead of with an ideology. Of course this differs very much country by country, but it seems very bad in Egypt. Literacy in Egypt is only 60-70%, so those people are basically excluded from reading newspapers at all.
Russia and China have the same problem, they have not built a civil society either, and that is nessecary for democracy to function properly. For example, Russia does not even need to censor newspapers that much, since apart from a few intellectuals and city dwellers most Russians do not have a newspaper subscription, they get the news from tv.



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28 Feb 2015, 5:51 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Riham seems to think of God as her sugar daddy.


"When I pray for 1 million I will get it" or something like that she said, heheeee.... it is called prosperity theology and if it worked it would be hugely popular among stock brokers (hint: it isn't).