Egyptian TV Host Removes Veil during Interview

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28 Feb 2015, 10:54 am



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28 Feb 2015, 11:43 am

Wow, this is stupid on so many levels. I sort of lol'd when the subject came up, "sexual abuse by clerics performing excorcism", dafuq? Far out, these people must be f*****g high or something. I'll never understand why people listen to crazy clerics. The only reason I would watch an interview with people like this is not because I think they may something insightful (haha!!), but that they say something so ridiculous I couldn't have made it up.
Nice how the woman left before the old man could 8)

Edit: I just found this clip where she interviews someone who no longer believes, and she turns out to be a fundie despite her appearance: she wants the chopping of hands and the banning of alcohol and crap like that, she is just another of the barbarians. And she kicks out the skeptic for saying Mohammed was no prophet. She talks as if she has never met anyone who wasn't religious.




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28 Feb 2015, 11:57 am

^ yeah she turned out be a big hypocrite, she didn't give the poor girl a chance to complete her idea.

But I am not surprised, modertely religious turn to fundie-like when the basis of their religion is confronted; as an atheist I know plenty of those who are like her; I knew a girl who wears mini skirts and had non-marital sex yet, yet when I told her that I think religion is not real she went hostile.

Hell, I had clashes with mom, and she's so anti hijab and clerics.

Moderates often live two-faced, in denial, they nitpick the good things in religion and try to blame other people like clerics on the wrongdoings done "in the name of religion" - without admitting that there's evil in the religion itself.



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28 Feb 2015, 12:07 pm

The clip you've posted is old (from last year) but it's a sterling piece of television.

It does seem as though there's more serious criticism of Islamism coming from some of the Arab countries than there is here. At least the clerics are sometimes put in their place - that never seems to happen here. Instead, we have hate preachers that are fêted instead.



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28 Feb 2015, 12:15 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ yeah she turned out be a big hypocrite, she didn't give the poor girl a chance to complete her idea.

But I am not surprised, modertely religious turn to fundie-like when the basis of their religion is confronted; as an atheist I know plenty of those who are like her; I knew a girl who wears mini skirts and had non-marital sex yet, yet when I told her that I think religion is not real she went hostile.

Hell, I had clashes with mom, and she's so anti hijab and clerics.

Moderates often live two-faced, in denial, they nitpick the good things in religion and try to blame other people like clerics on the wrongdoings done "in the name of religion" - without admitting that there's evil in the religion itself.


That may be so, but this woman is not a moderate. She wants the chopping off hands and such, the only difference between her and the jihadis is that she is not personally carrying a rifle.
Maybe I don't understand these people because almost everyone I know is not religious or is one of the wishy washy Christians who see their religion more as tradition and folklore than as something that matters. I really do not understand what that cleric and that interviewer are about, all I know is that I want nothing to do with it. I know the Arab dictators use the story that they need to stay in power to keep the Islamists away, but if these people represent the average voter then democracy will lead to chopping off hands and other crazy stuff.
And seriously, excorcisms? Bwaaaaa. I think I'll sacrifice a goat to Thor and do a rain dance.



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28 Feb 2015, 12:18 pm

Tequila wrote:
The clip you've posted is old (from last year) but it's a sterling piece of television.

It does seem as though there's more serious criticism of Islamism coming from some of the Arab countries than there is here. At least the clerics are sometimes put in their place - that never seems to happen here. Instead, we have hate preachers that are fêted instead.


Check the second clip, the interviewer looks like a moderate without the head scarf thing, but she wants the same evil stuff as the radicals. She throws out the non-religious woman because she doesn't believe anymore, and is very rude about it.



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28 Feb 2015, 12:21 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Moderates often live two-faced, in denial, they nitpick the good things in religion and try to blame other people like clerics on the wrongdoings done "in the name of religion" - without admitting that there's evil in the religion itself.

Well put.



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28 Feb 2015, 1:04 pm

trollcatman wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ yeah she turned out be a big hypocrite, she didn't give the poor girl a chance to complete her idea.

But I am not surprised, modertely religious turn to fundie-like when the basis of their religion is confronted; as an atheist I know plenty of those who are like her; I knew a girl who wears mini skirts and had non-marital sex yet, yet when I told her that I think religion is not real she went hostile.

Hell, I had clashes with mom, and she's so anti hijab and clerics.

Moderates often live two-faced, in denial, they nitpick the good things in religion and try to blame other people like clerics on the wrongdoings done "in the name of religion" - without admitting that there's evil in the religion itself.


That may be so, but this woman is not a moderate. She wants the chopping off hands and such, the only difference between her and the jihadis is that she is not personally carrying a rifle.
Maybe I don't understand these people because almost everyone I know is not religious or is one of the wishy washy Christians who see their religion more as tradition and folklore than as something that matters. I really do not understand what that cleric and that interviewer are about, all I know is that I want nothing to do with it. I know the Arab dictators use the story that they need to stay in power to keep the Islamists away, but if these people represent the average voter then democracy will lead to chopping off hands and other crazy stuff.
And seriously, exorcisms? Bwaaaaa. I think I'll sacrifice a goat to Thor and do a rain dance.



Yeah, frankly, this pro-sharia announcement coming from her mouth was quite shocking and unexpected, did you notice how shocked at first the interviewee was? That's because this tv host (Riham) was known to feminist and against fundamentalism (at least this how she often pretended), she picked Riham because she was fooled by her pseudo-open-mildness , notice how she was telling her at first how that there's a difference between her and the Islamists, only to be shocked to discover that she's not that different from the Islamists she claims to oppose.

Riham either is that fundie at heart, or she is totally coward and feared for her career so she had to over-act as a "True believer" s**t.

As for exorcism, this s**t is still practiced in some areas of the 3rd world, even the Christians of these areas have this stupidity.



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28 Feb 2015, 1:19 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Yeah, frankly, this pro-sharia announcement coming from her mouth was quite shocking and unexpected, did you notice how shocked at first the interviewee was? That's because this tv host (Riham) was known to feminist and against fundamentalism (at least this how she often pretended), she picked Riham because she was fooled by her pseudo-open-mildness , notice how she was telling her at first how that there's a difference between her and the Islamists, only to be shocked to discover that she's not that different from the Islamists she claims to oppose.

Riham either is that fundie at heart, or she is totally coward and feared for her career so she had to over-act as a "True believer" s**t.

As for exorcism, this s**t is still practiced in some areas of the 3rd world, even the Christians of these areas have this stupidity.


It's still weird she is surprised that someone says Mohammed was not a prophet, since there are some 20% Coptic Christians in Egypt who would say exactly the same thing.
And I think she is only progressive about the things that concern her (women's rights), since she is a woman. But she is fine with throwing people in jail for drinking beer (that is what banning something means) since she doesn't drink alcohol, and she is fine with chopping off thieves' hands because she is not a thief.
Anyone who does not understand the concept of letting others sin in peace is a fundie in my book.
I just walked in from the store btw, beer was on sale. I hope Riham doesn't mind I'm having a beer. Oh wait, I don't give a s**t what she thinks because there is religious freedom where I live. :D



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28 Feb 2015, 1:36 pm

Here is something else that I find a bit scary: usually when some terror attack happens the tv stations invite the token moderate Muslim talking heads to talk about it. They are probably moderate on most things, and they say all the moderate blabla, but I remember someone asked them about the Caliphate and Islamic law. All of them wanted a world-wide Caliphate and law because it said so in the Quran, but they said that it would happen peacefully and not through violence. Then I thought: are these people really expecting everyone to convert because it says so in their book? I think it is extremely unlikely that that will happen, so what's next? Only 1/6 of the world is Muslim, so the other 5/6 are not interested in the Caliphate stuff and I don't think that is likely to change.
I said before that I don't understand really religious people, but they don't understand people outside of their religion either. I remember seeing on tv a tourism promoter from some Islamic country (didn't catch the name) where they don't think alcohol, and the interviewer asked him about that, and he said they had "Islamic beer", which was beer without alcohol, at which the interviewer said "That is not beer". They really don't get what tourists want, which is booze and casinos and hookers and pot. Seriously, if the Netherlands had a warmer climate we would be the number one tourist spot in the world :D



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28 Feb 2015, 2:22 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Yeah, frankly, this pro-sharia announcement coming from her mouth was quite shocking and unexpected, did you notice how shocked at first the interviewee was? That's because this tv host (Riham) was known to feminist and against fundamentalism (at least this how she often pretended), she picked Riham because she was fooled by her pseudo-open-mildness , notice how she was telling her at first how that there's a difference between her and the Islamists, only to be shocked to discover that she's not that different from the Islamists she claims to oppose.

Riham either is that fundie at heart, or she is totally coward and feared for her career so she had to over-act as a "True believer" s**t.

As for exorcism, this s**t is still practiced in some areas of the 3rd world, even the Christians of these areas have this stupidity.


It's still weird she is surprised that someone says Mohammed was not a prophet, since there are some 20% Coptic Christians in Egypt who would say exactly the same thing.
And I think she is only progressive about the things that concern her (women's rights), since she is a woman. But she is fine with throwing people in jail for drinking beer (that is what banning something means) since she doesn't drink alcohol, and she is fine with chopping off thieves' hands because she is not a thief.
Anyone who does not understand the concept of letting others sin in peace is a fundie in my book.
I just walked in from the store btw, beer was on sale. I hope Riham doesn't mind I'm having a beer. Oh wait, I don't give a s**t what she thinks because there is religious freedom where I live. :D


And she's fine with stoning the adulteresses - why only the adulteresses? - so much of a hypocrite pro-equality, what a scum.

and I wouldn't be surprised if she does "adultery" behind the doors.

I like this youtube's title more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcqHlegEC4k

"Riham Said is an Idiot and munafiq"

munafiq means hypocrite in Arabic.

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Egyptian TV host Riham Said is neither a good Muslim nor a courageous atheist but she is an idiot and hypocrite. She is simply going with what is easy instead of challenging herself. She will not wear hijab nor can she handle people who question religion. She does not have enough courage to be an atheist and does not have enough true din to be a good muslim.



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28 Feb 2015, 2:34 pm

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HoubaBouba4 months ago

If Riham Said believes in every word of the Quran, then why isn't she wearing a hijab?? Hypocrite. If Sharia law was implemented in Egypt, she wouldn't even have been allowed to sit and present a show without wearing a hijab. In fact, she interviewed an Imam who insisted that she wears a hijab, and she refused to wear it. I hate people like Riham because she benefits from being a muslim and yet rejects the parts she does not like. She benefits simply by virtue of being a muslim, there are advantages than if she were a Christian (like your own TV show, for example ! !)


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Riham is so f*****g fake, drop her down with the boys of the Islamic State, they would flog her for wearing clothes like that.



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28 Feb 2015, 3:43 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
And she's fine with stoning the adulteresses - why only the adulteresses? - so much of a hypocrite pro-equality, what a scum.

and I wouldn't be surprised if she does "adultery" behind the doors.

I like this youtube's title more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcqHlegEC4k

"Riham Said is an Idiot and munafiq"

munafiq means hypocrite in Arabic.

Quote:
Egyptian TV host Riham Said is neither a good Muslim nor a courageous atheist but she is an idiot and hypocrite. She is simply going with what is easy instead of challenging herself. She will not wear hijab nor can she handle people who question religion. She does not have enough courage to be an atheist and does not have enough true din to be a good muslim.


Hmm, I noticed before that for Muslims whether someone is a hypocrite is somehow a big deal, the murderer of Theo van Gogh made a point of saying that his victim was not a hypocrite at his trial, he kept repeating that.
I just looked at the English wikipedia, and there is even an article on there called munafiq, and it is about Islam and hypocrisy.
I prefer to call such people pragmatists, or just cynical people (I consider both terms compliments).

As for why the women should be stoned and not the men, maybe they stole that bit from the bible. I remember reading some Old Testament bit about animal sex and how women should not have sex with animals and be killed if they did, but it didn't say anything about men.



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28 Feb 2015, 3:58 pm

There was brief time when skimpy clothes, and skin on show wasn't than uncommon in Egypt.

Egypt is the a place of two halves. The Muslim brotherhood was founded there, much before this modern conflict in the middle east, and the founder Hassan al-Banna likened westerners and non-conformists almost to demonic zombies. This dehumanization was mirrored by Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and Al Qaeda, and is certainly makes it easier for group like IS to kill.

On the other hand the flip side is why do you need these military dictatorships to keep thing in order? Where is the the humanity?



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28 Feb 2015, 4:13 pm

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There was brief time when skimpy clothes, and skin on show wasn't than uncommon in Egypt.

Egypt is the a place of two halves. The Muslim brotherhood was founded there, much before this modern conflict in the middle east, and the founder Hassan al-Banna likened westerners and non-conformists almost to demonic zombies. This dehumanization was mirrored by Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and Al Qaeda, and is certainly makes it easier for group like IS to kill.

On the other hand the flip side is why do you need these military dictatorships to keep thing in order? Where is the the humanity?


Maybe there really are not enough normal people for democracy to work? If the "moderates" are like this woman then it's better not to have elections or they will democratically vote for crazy.
I still don't understand it at all, why don't the fundies want to live a normal life? You can't be happy with all the restrictions on everything. That is probably one of the main things holding the religion back, all the anti-fun rules. When Vladimir the Great of Kiev chose a state religion for his realms he chose Orthodox Christianity over Judaism or Islam, since the Jews lost their country they could not be the chosen people, and he rejected Islam because the ban on alcohol and the other rules would be incompatible with his people. Saint Paul removed the Jewish laws from Christianity, because you can't sell a Kosher religion with 613 rules to a bunch of European pork-eaters.
If I had to pick a religion I would pick one that is not anti-fun.



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28 Feb 2015, 4:21 pm

It is not that they are not "normal", I'm not going to be a hypocrite and dehumanize them. The problem is paranoia and neurosis. It is something that can be rectified individually, but en-mass it is difficult to make a change, especially is if is deeply engrained, and intergenerational.