Any Aspies who would consider themselves one these options:
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Aspie, of the Christian faith.
1. Religious Christians or Jews who belong to a specific denomination and follow God regularly.
I am religious in the sense that I believe in God, and follow Him regularly----as in, Bible study, praying, etc. I am NOT religious in the sense of attending regular church services----not that I have anything against it, I just never got around to looking for a congregation, when I moved to where I currently live. (My grandfather and great-grandfather were Southern-Baptist preachers----I was raised Baptist and Methodist----I would probably pick one of those (B or M), if I were currently looking for a congregation.)
2. Believers in God who feel that belief in God has innately positive effects on one's life but is also very much against organized religion and religious dogma and feels that said dogma often diminishes the value of God.
I believe in God, and believe that He has positive effects on one's life. I am NOT against organized religion and religious dogma, and I feel that it's possible that if one feels dogma diminishes the value of God, one hasn't found a house of worship that "fits" them----it's not "one-size-fits-all", IMO. A house of worship has to be "shopped", just as a doctor has to be a good "fit"----one who listens to you, considers your opinions, etc----one who doesn't "poo-poo" your ideas.....
3. Christians or Jews who have a strong belief in God but also feel that it should be kept personal and not be a part of political or social life at all and should not be aggressively shared with anyone.
I have a strong belief in God, and believe that it is part of my decisions that I make regarding politics, and I LOVE to be around people, socially, who share similar ideas regarding religion----but also MORE, than just that. I do NOT believe it should be shared, AGGRESSIVELY, in the sense of being a "Bible Thumper"----IOW, "preaching" during every conversation; and, if the conversation isn't about religion, MAKING it about religion / God, etc.
4. Deists
Definitely, NOT----as I believe God is the Alpha and Omega; has created the universe, knows the end, from the beginning, and has a hand in how it's run; is "The Comforter".
I was wondering if there are aspies and autistics who would fit into any one of the above 4 categories. I know I talked about this somewhat in another subforum however I am interested in connecting with autistics and aspies who are spiritual and religious but also like keeping their religion and spirituality between them and God.
I'm not sure how one is suppose to connect with you, and, at-the-same-time, keep their spirituality between themselves, and God.....
Now of course I am totally cool with discussing issues we are passionate about with Aspies and autistics of every religion and of no religion and have nothing against interacting with atheists and agnostics in the slightest. However I was hoping that this forum as of now still had aspies and autistics who consider themselves strong believers in God and that there was still significant religious diversity here on WP.
I believe in God the Father Almighty,
maker of Heaven and earth;
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord:
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
on the third day he rose from the dead,
and ascended into heaven,
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come, to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life, everlasting.
For me the closest of the options would be this:
I'm not actually against organized religion, just that it gets taken too far sometimes to where it becomes an us against them situation.
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I don't know if there is a word for what I am....Basically I don't believe in any gods or a monotheistic deity per say, however I think there are spirit energies/beings but nothing very specific I am sure people have attributed it to gods or god but I don't think its that simple. So I am not really an atheist, certainly do not have a religion or worship any gods. Not really agnostic because I am not unsure if there's any supernatural forces I think there are to some extent at least. I don't really spend much time thinking about religious beliefs/lack of them so I don't really have a definitive summary of 'my beliefs' when it comes to spirituality. I was into what I is called spiritual satanism for a while, but even that started giving me the feeling you have to conform to some tight set of beliefs and that is probably one of the most loosely organized beliefs even considered to be a specific belief.
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That kind of deity?
More like the implications (to my own mind, at least) of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems.
I reckon that the universe is a system, and that any system can only be defined within a system of greater complexity than the system in question. Given that the universe is a running process, it seems to me there must be some system within which that process is defined. Might as well call it God.
Except, of course, for the infinite regress problem. So then call God the concatenative assemblage of all such regressions. And then you still must have a yet-greater system in which to define that concept, so call that God instead... and it goes on and on from there. Attempting to communicate the notion requires negating it.
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@Campin Cat, just to clarify, when i say keep spirituality between them and God, I refer to those who opt not to discuss their religious faiths and spirituality and ethics to that end unless they are in a conversation with someone who is interested. When I am interested in discussing religion and Judeo Christian ethics with someone, then I am all for them sharing everything they believe in as you did. It was an admittedly clumsy attempt at differentiating them from the subsets of religious people who feel an impulse to discuss their religious values with everyone regardless of how much or little they are interested in learning of it. Maybe that helps clear it up.
Nearest for me would be 2
I wouldn't be against a religion if Jesus organised it, I cannot however find a religion however that isn't tainted with doctrines of men or pagan uncleanness.
Mark 7 ‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men
Haggi 2 11 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Now, ask the priests concerning the law, saying, 12 “If one carries holy meat in the fold of his garment, and with the edge he touches bread or stew, wine or oil, or any food, will it become holy?”’”
Then the priests answered and said, “No.”
13 And Haggai said, “If one who is unclean because of a dead body touches any of these, will it be unclean?”
So the priests answered and said, “It shall be unclean.”
14 Then Haggai answered and said, “‘So is this people, and so is this nation before Me,’ says the Lord, ‘and so is every work of their hands; and what they offer there is unclean.
The scripture from Haggai means something clean doesn't make a dirty thing clean, but something dirty makes a clean thing dirty.
So all this adoption of pagan customs by the likes of the Catholic Church claiming its alright because "they have been sanctified", isn't going to prevent God discarding even the clean parts of your religion.
I am a No. 2 (stop that snickering).
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I believe INGOD and have 100% FAITH AND TRUST INGOD but there's really not one word for IT, FOR ME, not even GOD, reAlly, as GOD is a living thing to me...inside.. outside.. above.. so below.. ALL AROUND....
KINDA like THE SENTIMENT expressed in this song by ELO..
And yES..GOD is 'a terrible thing to lose'..like DYING IN LIFE AND magicKAgaIN!In livingLIVE! alivE!
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In the past few years I took a very big shift; prior to that I was strongly heading toward full determinist materialism, one or two things set me off down a completely different path after that - this new path being Hermetic mysticism/magic.
I still see the bible as an incredibly valuable book but I also see it as the latest and most well-documented version of what's really a primordial astrological religion that many of the major religious currents - including those of polytheism - seem to reference either directly or indirectly. Also for the flavor that Job gives it and despite a lot of of it's history really stressing good vs. evil, heaven vs. hell, tracing back to what the wisdom teaching in it really are they fall back largely on Ptolemaic philosophy and Greco-Egyptian neoplatonism. In that sense biblical stories, concepts and morals, high-pagan stories, concepts, and morals, to me are all really driving at the same thing of value but they don't relate to a Manichean/Christian Gnostic type duality of 'evil matter' - hence the bible has a crisscrossing current of Neoplatonism and Manicheaism that are quite tough to reconcile.
In the last few years I joined a couple mystic fraternities - AMORC and BOTA. Truth be told in a lot of ways making that move saved my life.
My take on mysticism so far and how it works - you're essentially trying to stare down the optic nerve of our own consciousness (not literally in front of a mirror but rather through meditation, contemplation, imaginative exercise, etc.) and if you look far enough the idea is you can look at the very roots of what you'd consider you. Similarly there are times and places in life where certain currents will rise up within you and where you'll feel like you touched base with some transcendental, even if fleeting, that felt like it was in so many ways more you than you. When I think of those religious icons in history who would suggest with respect to their acts that their works were never of themselves but of the will of the One who sent them and of themselves could do nothing, or any talk of being 'born again of the spirit' - I think it's really meant to detail that, touching on the prime point within the very center of ourselves.
Whether or not such explorations actually have anything backing them aside from just very good use of positive psychology - I can't say. At a minimum it seems like the key note to truly authentic living, untangling one's own fundamental will from all of the noise that was clapped down upon them growing up (keeping the practical - pitching the rest), and it seems like the wise of all ages have had a sense of that and encoded it in allegory. The tail of the death and regeneration of Dionysus is a classic example of this kind of thing. The other thing I can't help but notice is that the energies worked with have notable effects - particularly what a lot of people like to call kundalini or the 'secret fire'.
Whether it's simply a wild romance with your own gray matter or actually climbing Jacob's ladder - the profundity of the results and life enrichment as well as the payoff for facing the challenges seems phenomenal, comparable to say mastering a martial art, getting an MD, or something along those lines but much more profound on the level in which you're getting a grip on yourself.
TRuly IT ALL comes DOWN to getting a GRIP on yOur self..
19 years of education for me, 3 college degrees, 32 years of work, including a quarter of a century wearing many hats working for the government, AND literally working with tens of thousands of people, and I still didn't know squat about being human. I truly knew NOTHING, LIKE SOCRATES ADMITTED, AS WELL.
The only way to learn that for me, was to go on a mystical journey seeking and finding the truth of my human nature, within, CONTEMPLATING AND complementing the rest of Nature, TOO, AKA GOD TO ME....NOW FOR SURE!
It was the hardest and most rewarding experience of my life, and I truly have proof, in a diversity of ways of that to share with others, beyond words that truly can never tell the entire story.
Google has reinstated adults the privilege to express themselves in nude art, and that 13 month additional journey in path seeking experience has been the most freeing experience of all that is at the core my creative explosion, per FREE verse nude POETRY, in words AND FLESH, AND in the words of Michelangelo, paraphrased, the human flesh tells more the tale of human being than words alone can ever do....i never knew what that TRULY MEANS UNTIL NOW, UNFETTERED BY ILLUSORY CULTURE and F***ing, YES, FUNNING FREE!
AND NOW THE artists in Hollywood WHO express themselves this way to the horror of the rest of the sheep in chains, makes PERFECT SENSE TO ME, NOW, AS I AM FREE TOO...!..
AND with that said, here's a tribute to MILEY, a Pioneer OF FREEDOM and TRUE Human hero to SET OTHERS FREE IN EXPRESSING THEIR HUMAN NATURE MORE FULLY UNLEASHED AND RELEASED.
AND the other beautiful artist and singer, provided below, per, 'BREAK FREE'!
AND A PERFECT METAPHOR FOR THAT, in 'WRECKING BALL', I AM, i MIGHT ADD, AS I have certainly lost some Facebook friends over my freedom more fully expressed like this, even though it is behind an adult restricted blogger door.
Some folks cannot stand the fact that one is doing something, even if they do not look.
But sure, human curiosity, takes the cake, most of the time, and the icing too..
And I JUST continue to stand tall, with a calm look on my face, and a graceful DANCE walk IN MARTIAL ARTS/BALLET STYLE, NOW 3200 MILES IN 18 MONTHS, everywhere I go, DRIVING 233LBS of human FULLY EXPRESSED AND FREE!
GOD IT IS GOOD TO BE FREE!GOD IS FREE AND SO IS ME!..!
NEITHER OF 'US' CAN BE CHAINED, and i for one am glad to be IN THAT CROWD NOW..OF ONE!ALL!FORCE!AsONe!ALL!..!
And by the way, Ariana Grande got sick and tired of 'homo hating Catholics', per her previous religion, and in honor of her brother, moved over to the Kabbalah, like Madonna, and so many other Hollywood artists, wearing that red string around their wrist, in honor of that way of Journey in Path to GOD...
The symbolism for that shows freely throughout the video, as the modern Christian way of worshipping a man (instead of learning from a humble teacher), AND subjugating human nature through illusory fears IS the REAL devil to break free from! And find GOD inside.. outside.. above.. so below.. ALL AROUND!..
So yeah, truly, the real so-called Jesus, Ariana, and Miley are all happy peas in the GOD Pod!..
Yeah, a trinity of sorts.. but tHere are MANY.. MANY MORE PEAS IN THAT BIGGEST OF PODS EVER.. PER INFINITY.. AND BEYoND......wITh BeyONCE too!...
There are relatively few Atheist 'FREE VERSE' ARTISTS, WHO didn't go to school to CREATE, as the Creative Spirit of GOD lives STRONG WITHIN THEM!..EXPRESSED AS SUCH MAGNIFICENTLY!
ANYWAY, 'MY' GRIP, 'IS', incredibly STRONG FOR NoW1!..!onE!
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Gotcha! It's the same as what I said, then, about not liking when someone is having a conversation NOT about religion, and they MAKE it about religion. Okey-dokey!
I wouldn't be against a religion if Jesus organised it, I cannot however find a religion however that isn't tainted with doctrines of men or pagan uncleanness..
Jesus did organise a religion , but it was not for you, it was for the locals at the time, it was for the Israelites. You find some clues of this in the bible.
Keep looking for that religion without the pagan uncleanness and doctrines of men though, because it is out there.
I wouldn't be against a religion if Jesus organised it, I cannot however find a religion however that isn't tainted with doctrines of men or pagan uncleanness..
Jesus did organise a religion , but it was not for you, it was for the locals at the time, it was for the Israelites.
I think he was organizing a political movement disguised as a religious movement. What's more he wasn't the first use the Messiah angle, or even the first with a resurrection story. Politics was intertwined with religion anyway. This is assuming he actually existed, but even if he did not the principle still remains.
"...'Judean People's Front?' We're the People's Front of Judea! 'Judean People's Front!'" --Life of Brain (1979)
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I used to be this, but now I am a religious Christian who follows God regularly--but can have a good worship experience in almost any of the denominations, as long as they preach from the Bible and not from their doctrinal bias.
Every week, I attend a service at a Baptist church, a service at an Assembly of God church, and Bible Study at a Methodist church.
I do not call myself a Baptist, a Methodist, a Lutheran or a Pentecostal, though. I don't call myself a Nazarene or an Evangelical anymore, and though I've gone to Presbyterian, Charismatic and AoG churches, I don't identify with any of those denominations either.
I follow the Bible, the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ. There are churches I stay out of, because of what I consider heresies: Mormon, Universalist Unitarian, 7th Day Adventist, and Scientology, to name a few.
But I believe in God the Father
Jesus Christ
the Holy Spirit
New Life
I believe in the Crucifixion
the Resurrection
the Ascencion
and the Second Coming--He's coming back again
I believe in heaven and hell, good and evil, angels and spirits.
I believe that only a Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit, can understand the Bible. Others will see only stories, myths, fables, contradictions, paradoxes, impossibilities, and maybe a handful of good teaching/good ideas.
But I am not ashamed of the gospel. No-one on the internet has the ability to make me doubt the Word of God, or the truth of my own testimony.
Bless.
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