Why should the government "help" people with Aspergers?

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22 Mar 2015, 7:12 pm

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The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


Not to mention people who profit from prisons.


Addiction is complex. Simplistic explanations ignore the many different factors that contribute to the path of addiction. Some thinkers have argued that Western society itself is a web of addictions - not just to drugs. How many are addicted to coffee? Alcohol? Shopping? Gambling? The Internet? Pornography? and so on... there are process addictions and substance addictions. You can argue simplistically that they are all simply a matter of making a choice at the start. However much bigger cultural factors are shaping the environment in which addiction takes place. Focusing on addicts who use illegal drugs and ignoring addicts who are addicted to legal drugs (like alcohol) is a form of cultural hypocrisy which is entrenched in the culture.



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22 Mar 2015, 7:13 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


Not to mention people who profit from prisons.


True.


to B19: I don't think that porn addiction is a real thing. I usually watch porn multiple times a day, but I didn't in the past 2 days because of circumstances....



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22 Mar 2015, 8:38 pm

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being a Canadian is the gift that keeps on giving :wtg:


We have it pretty good here, especially in Alberta. I mean, I like BC's weather and scenery more, but Alberta has the best healthcare system of all the provinces, and probably the best social programs overall. We're the richest province in Canada, and it's often been said that we could make it on our own, but then we'd be landlocked, and really, the rest of Canada depends on us. :P

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I would bet good money, that many folk who became addicted to a painkilling drug [happens all the time, including to moi :oops: ] would not have chosen that result, I sure didn't. I would much rather have not have the injury needing pain relief in the first place.


I was talking marijuana, coke, heroine. Not medical rugs. My bad.

On a relate dnote, if I don't get a paying enough job, and there's no more disability pension - there's painless ways of suicide, if my family doesn't take care of me. Though I'm pretty sure they will - after my parents die either my brother or my cousins.


A lot of times heroin addiction starts from medically prescribed opiate pain killers.....for instance person gets injured, is prescribed opiates, gets addicted, prescription runs out/they can't get more, well they may be able to find heroin on the streets or buy pills if they find a source to illegally acquire them.

Also depending on where you live Marijuana is considered a medical drug...also its not potentially deadly like opiates, not to say there is no use for opiates but they are obviously dangerous.


The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


I'd love to live in Alberta, would they let me move there, if they knew I had autism and may need the disability support?


Possibly. What you would have to do is sign up for AiSH, and provide proof of your disability. I signed up after being assessed by a neuropsychologist, and having it recommended to me. If you want, PM me and we can talk about the process.



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22 Mar 2015, 8:50 pm

I don't have time to read all the posts, so I apologize if I am repeating something someone else said.

When it gets down to it, everyone NEEDS help in one way or another to MAXIMIZE their varying abilities. Most of us in the US have benefited from the help of a free public education. Some need additional help in order to maximize what one can do. Sometimes, the maximum a person can do is not enough to support him/herself. I don't have a problem with the government providing continued help in these situations.

If people are *purposefully* not attempting to maximize their capabilities, then they don't deserve help. But, we can't just look at someone and know whether or not s/he is being lazy. That is something for doctors, therapists, and the like to figure out.

Sometimes circumstances create limitations on a persons ability to "maximize." So, we need to help get rid of those obstacles.

Anything we can do to help a willing person to "be all he can be" is a good thing.



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22 Mar 2015, 8:58 pm

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Do you believe that the government should "help" people with Aspergers? I find the government trying to "help" any minority offensive. It makes me feel somehow lower.


F*** NO!! !! Every time the Government tends to 'help' they wind up really f***ing things up. Every time the Government gets bigger and more intricate, the more unwieldy and problematic it becomes, and this only mires once free people in regulations, inconcgruent policies and red tape. --I need Government help and case management like I need a hole in my head.

To draw a quick comparison of this, look at all of the 'help' the US Government gav the Native Americans, and how Native American tribes have gone from being sovereign nations to groups of people killing themselves off thanks to the welfare subsistance handouts given to them. --I will NOT subject myself to this type of 'help'. :evil:


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22 Mar 2015, 9:03 pm

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i'll take what help you don't want, then.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:04 pm

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Do you believe that the government should "help" people with Aspergers? I find the government trying to "help" any minority offensive. It makes me feel somehow lower.


F*** NO!! ! ! Every time the Government tends to 'help' they wind up really f***ing things up. Every time the Government gets bigger and more intricate, the more unwieldy and problematic it becomes, and this only mires once free people in regulations, inconcgruent policies and red tape. --I need Government help and case management like I need a hole in my head.

To draw a quick comparison of this, look at all of the 'help' the US Government gav the Native Americans, and how Native American tribes have gone from being sovereign nations to groups of people killing themselves off thanks to the welfare subsistance handouts given to them. --I will NOT subject myself to this type of 'help'. :evil:


Move to Canada, it's good here.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:07 pm

I sure wish I could. but Canada throws many barriers to americans specifically, preventing them from even entering.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:14 pm

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I sure wish I could. but Canada throws many barriers to americans specifically, preventing them from even entering.


Really? I never heard that.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:14 pm

tl:dr.

Because governments should help everyone.


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22 Mar 2015, 9:18 pm

Canadian1911 wrote:
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I sure wish I could. but Canada throws many barriers to americans specifically, preventing them from even entering.


Really? I never heard that.

yes, starting in 1981, americans must jump over this combination of hurdles-
*spotless criminal record including misdemeanors and traffic tickets
*net worth of at least half a mil-
*bachelors degree or higher educational achievement
*blood relations in country

the first one kept out several thousand americans during the last winter Olympics in Canada. that is a non-negotiable thing. applicants for residence must meet that condition plus 2 out of the three others listed. this has its origins in the thousands of US draft dodgers entering Canada during the Vietnam war.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:22 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
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I sure wish I could. but Canada throws many barriers to americans specifically, preventing them from even entering.


Really? I never heard that.

yes, starting in 1981, americans must jump over this combination of hurdles-
*spotless criminal record including misdemeanors and traffic tickets
*net worth of at least half a mil-
*bachelors degree or higher educational achievement
*blood relations in country

the first one kept out several thousand americans during the last winter Olympics in Canada. that is a non-negotiable thing. applicants for residence must meet that condition plus 2 out of the three others listed. this has its origins in the thousands of US draft dodgers entering Canada during the Vietnam war.


Any exceptions for the disabled?



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22 Mar 2015, 9:23 pm

^^^
sorry, don't know the answer to that. I would suspect not. but you are Canadian so you are all set, compared to americans who are subject to the whims of the social darwinists in power at all levels.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:28 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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i'll take what help you don't want, then.


I have experienced firsthand the type of 'help' that they offer. Firstly when I was institutionalised when I was 11- 14, and also through a series of foster homes from when I was fifteen until the day that I turned 18 and I was turned out on the street to fend for myself.

A caseworker will set you up in a taxpayer funded apartment, and provide you with food, and perhaps clothing as well at taxpayer expense but when you want something tangible such as job, or vocational training, or even further education they will give you the classic liberal line of 'Well, we're so sorry, but the government (That they get $30K-$40K yearly in salary for essentially doing nothing) spends so much money on the military that they can't afford to help you with that'.

The entire system that exists would be better if it was completely dismantled, and the the caseworkers involved would be more productive as human beings if they were out in the middle of a traffic intersection with a big 'WILL WORK FOR FOOD' sign.

If you want my share of that type of 'help', then you are more than welcome to it.


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22 Mar 2015, 9:36 pm

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it's obvious we spend an obscene amount of our military-industrial complex. need to spend less on broadswords and more on plough sheers.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:37 pm

Fogman wrote:
K_Kelly wrote:
Do you believe that the government should "help" people with Aspergers? I find the government trying to "help" any minority offensive. It makes me feel somehow lower.


F*** NO!! ! ! Every time the Government tends to 'help' they wind up really f***ing things up. Every time the Government gets bigger and more intricate, the more unwieldy and problematic it becomes, and this only mires once free people in regulations, inconcgruent policies and red tape. --I need Government help and case management like I need a hole in my head.

To draw a quick comparison of this, look at all of the 'help' the US Government gav the Native Americans, and how Native American tribes have gone from being sovereign nations to groups of people killing themselves off thanks to the welfare subsistance handouts given to them. --I will NOT subject myself to this type of 'help'. :evil:


In my opinion the government has a duty to its citizens....there is a problem with government corruption. Is even realistic to have no government at all?....it seems probably not, so I'd think a better solution is better government and less corruption, however a lot of people just seem to stick their head in the sand about the corruption...or spout that they shouldn't do anything to help the public including people at a disadvantage, seems more realistic to address the corruption.


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