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23 Mar 2015, 12:57 am

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the U.S is our ret*d cousin.

that is putting it diplomatically, as Canadians are wont to do.


"wont to do"

I never heard someone someone say "won't" in that manner, what's it mean?



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23 Mar 2015, 1:02 am

Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
the U.S is our ret*d cousin.

that is putting it diplomatically, as Canadians are wont to do.


"wont to do" I never heard someone someone say "won't" in that manner, what's it mean?


definition of WONT-
[ wônt, wōnt ]
ADJECTIVE literary
(of a person) in the habit of doing something; accustomed:
"he was wont to arise at 5:30 every morning"
synonyms: accustomed · used · given · inclined
NOUN formal humorous (one's wont)
one's customary behavior in a particular situation:
"Constance, as was her wont, had paid her little attention"
synonyms: custom · habit · way · practice · convention · rule

VERB, archaic form-
make or be or become accustomed:
"wont thy heart to thoughts hereof"



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23 Mar 2015, 10:12 am

auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
the U.S is our ret*d cousin.

that is putting it diplomatically, as Canadians are wont to do.


"wont to do" I never heard someone someone say "won't" in that manner, what's it mean?


definition of WONT-
[ wônt, wōnt ]
ADJECTIVE literary
(of a person) in the habit of doing something; accustomed:
"he was wont to arise at 5:30 every morning"
synonyms: accustomed · used · given · inclined
NOUN formal humorous (one's wont)
one's customary behavior in a particular situation:
"Constance, as was her wont, had paid her little attention"
synonyms: custom · habit · way · practice · convention · rule

VERB, archaic form-
make or be or become accustomed:
"wont thy heart to thoughts hereof"


Ok, so "have a habit of"



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23 Mar 2015, 1:46 pm

not a habit, more like a convention or practice or philosophy, as a nation.



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25 Mar 2015, 1:31 pm

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Do you believe that the government should "help" people with Aspergers? I find the government trying to "help" any minority offensive. It makes me feel somehow lower.


I agree. We should help each other and not rely on neurotypicals. Having an independant country will help when it comes to this.



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25 Mar 2015, 2:46 pm

Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


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25 Mar 2015, 7:02 pm

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Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


The American government fritters away its tax dollars on useless s**t like warfare. The Canadian government actually uses its money to help its people, though admittedly there's still a certain amount that gets wasted. It would be the same way if it were charities managing the money instead of governments. Give a big organization lots of control, and they're going to make asses of themselves. Since that's the case, you may as well make that organization something that can be voted for and vetted by the people. It's easier for an average citizen to have some say in governmental matters, than in the matters of a non-government organization.



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25 Mar 2015, 11:42 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
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Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


The American government fritters away its tax dollars on useless s**t like warfare. The Canadian government actually uses its money to help its people, though admittedly there's still a certain amount that gets wasted. It would be the same way if it were charities managing the money instead of governments. Give a big organization lots of control, and they're going to make asses of themselves. Since that's the case, you may as well make that organization something that can be voted for and vetted by the people. It's easier for an average citizen to have some say in governmental matters, than in the matters of a non-government organization.


Canadian government? Try to get a doctor whose office isn't run like the DMV. Try to get prompt medical care without going to a private clinic.

While I do take the Libertarian position on wars as in think before you act, I don't endorse appeasing our enemies like Iran, history shows that it doesn't work(WWII and Nevil Chamberlain). A strong defense is a good deterrent. I will agree with you that quite a bit of fat could be cut from the military.


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26 Mar 2015, 12:10 am

RichardJ wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
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Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


The American government fritters away its tax dollars on useless s**t like warfare. The Canadian government actually uses its money to help its people, though admittedly there's still a certain amount that gets wasted. It would be the same way if it were charities managing the money instead of governments. Give a big organization lots of control, and they're going to make asses of themselves. Since that's the case, you may as well make that organization something that can be voted for and vetted by the people. It's easier for an average citizen to have some say in governmental matters, than in the matters of a non-government organization.


Canadian government? Try to get a doctor whose office isn't run like the DMV. Try to get prompt medical care without going to a private clinic.

While I do take the Libertarian position on wars as in think before you act, I don't endorse appeasing our enemies like Iran, history shows that it doesn't work(WWII and Nevil Chamberlain). A strong defense is a good deterrent. I will agree with you that quite a bit of fat could be cut from the military.


The doctor's offices here aren't too bad actually. Sometimes there can be a bit of a wait, but most of the time it's reasonable. The doctors themselves can be kinda dickish drug pushers though, but I've heard doctors south of the border can be like that too. :roll: As far as going to the emergency room, well I once got a nasty gash on my hand while I was camping, so my parents drove me into the hospital in town, with my arm wrapped in a towel, and I was treated as soon as I got there. Checkmate.

I'm not opposed to having a decent military, but I think a lot of the money the US spends on its military could be put to better use in other areas, namely healthcare. Obamacare is a f*****g mess though, and I it was the worst possible way the US could have handled healthcare reform. Arguably, the best way would have been for the US to adopt a system similar to ours, but then you'd have people whining about higher taxes and socialism, so instead they basically made health insurance mandatory, when there are tons of people who can't even afford private health insurance. Sometimes, you just can't win.



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26 Mar 2015, 4:24 pm

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If the person with Aspergers is in need of help, then yes.


Actual "need" being the key word then I agree.


You always seem to be petty and ungenerous toward others. Who should determine who has a real need? You? What makes you such an authority about nearly everything under the sun. What makes you so certain you are always right about everything. I know your conservative philosophy seems to empower you to comment negatively toward most anyone...



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26 Mar 2015, 7:22 pm

RichardJ wrote:
Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


Taxation is not defined as stealing in this country though, it is a way to fund maintaining the infrastructure...and having a social safety network is part of maintaining the infrastructure. If you think taxation is stealing you have every right to petition the government though and try and try and get taxation stopped, not that you'd have much luck but its your right. You'd have to come up with an effective alternative to taxing as well to increase chances of any success.


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29 Mar 2015, 9:37 am

I think the government should do whatever it can to help anyone who says they need help. In America, just admitting that you need help comes with so much humiliation, stress, harassment, threats, accusations, and shame that only a true fool would try and "cheat" the system. I also find it hilarious when anyone rants about those who are "cheating" on disability. People don't realize the absolute hell one must go through to get SSDI. My depression is so bad that I've literally spent weeks at a time in bed, kept alive only by my Mother coming to bring me food and clean me up. My will to live was so low that I couldn't even bring myself to get out of bed. My father coming in every once and awhile to call me "lazy" and to tell me that I "need more ambition" certainly didn't help. Applied for SSDI and tried to get it for over ten years, until I gave up after realizing that my life has no value to my own government.



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29 Mar 2015, 2:10 pm

I still can't get over that on this very forum of WP, there are actually members who would have the gall to tell other members to "jerk oneself up by one's own bootstraps!" :o



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29 Mar 2015, 2:14 pm

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I still can't get over that on this very forum of WP, there are actually members who would have the gall to tell other members to "jerk oneself up by one's own bootstraps!" :o


Yeah, that kind of attitude is only good for those who have no challenges. That being said, once school ends, I WANT to get a job, not because I have to, but I want to. Sleeping in, eating oatmeal and instant coffee for breakfast, 99cent noodles and a pop for lunch, and Kraft Dinner and more noodles and a cup of tea for dinner, and then watching porn and wasting time on the inter - is not as glamorous a life as it's made out to be, it's literally passing time. I want something to occupy my time.



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29 Mar 2015, 2:19 pm

Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
I still can't get over that on this very forum of WP, there are actually members who would have the gall to tell other members to "jerk oneself up by one's own bootstraps!" :o


Yeah, that kind of attitude is only good for those who have no challenges. That being said, once school ends, I WANT to get a job, not because I have to, but I want to. Sleeping in, eating oatmeal and instant coffee for breakfast, 99cent noodles and a pop for lunch, and Kraft Dinner and more noodles and a cup of tea for dinner, and then watching porn and wasting time on the inter - is not as glamorous a life as it's made out to be, it's literally passing time. I want something to occupy my time.

hopefully your education gives you a nice pleasant job and not a grinding menial job or jobs. all my life I had the latter. it wore me out. if you get a nice job it is like not having to work for a living at all, plus nice jobs usually pay lots more than menial work.



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auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
I still can't get over that on this very forum of WP, there are actually members who would have the gall to tell other members to "jerk oneself up by one's own bootstraps!" :o


Yeah, that kind of attitude is only good for those who have no challenges. That being said, once school ends, I WANT to get a job, not because I have to, but I want to. Sleeping in, eating oatmeal and instant coffee for breakfast, 99cent noodles and a pop for lunch, and Kraft Dinner and more noodles and a cup of tea for dinner, and then watching porn and wasting time on the inter - is not as glamorous a life as it's made out to be, it's literally passing time. I want something to occupy my time.

hopefully your education gives you a nice pleasant job and not a grinding menial job or jobs. all my life I had the latter. it wore me out. if you get a nice job it is like not having to work for a living at all, plus nice jobs usually pay lots more than menial work.


Well, I do have a lack of executive function, a speech impediment and a learning disability. A auto mobile plant in the area starts wages at $25/hr though.