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25 Mar 2015, 12:01 pm

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OMG this thread is right out there. OP, you believe what you want to believe, no evidence of any kind would be acceptable to you but that which supports your conspiracy theory - you are in a loop of circular thought which is self-reinforcing.

Reminds me of one definition of denial:

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Yeah except that I'm actually speaking the truth - and not lying. You're so deluded and propagandized that you can't see the ridiculousness of what you just said; you projected exactly what you did to ME, down to the line. Not wanting to see reality, and saying "I don't like reality but I accept things might be different from what I've been told" are worlds apart from eachother.

You live in complete denial of what's going on...it's not surprising though political correctness has really done a number on people ....haha..it's insane.



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25 Mar 2015, 12:32 pm

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2) There actually were some Soviet spies in the US in the 50s - surely nobody is surprised? There were US spies in Russia too. I think people mock McCarthy for the hundreds he persecuted for no good reason (such as Arthur Miller himself), not for the few he got right. (Side note: that BBC documentary was made by a Jewish journalist, raised by far-left parents, who supported the Iraq war. Kinda undermines the "Jews and Commies are running the show" thing if they go exposing each other, right?)


2. I never said Commies were running the show at all. I merely provided evidence that Communist subversion in the US in the 40s and 50s was far greater than is generally acknowledged. I did this in defence of what I believe to be one of the OP's general points (that many facts about US 20th and 21st century history and politics are quite different from what most people have been led to believe) against those posters who either won't look at the facts or dismiss them as irrelevant. I believe my own view is simpler than that of the OP though. My own view is that in trying to understand the American political landscape it helps to think not so much in terms of 'Communists', 'cultural Marxists', 'Zionists' or 'neoconservatives' etc but just in terms of Jews using these '-isms' as tools for as long or as short as they deem them useful.

3. I know who Aaronovitch is, and his background does not undermine my argument at all. I specifically chose that link for the benefit of those who won't pay attention to anything unless it's published by a "respectable" media outlet. It's safe enough now all these decades later to admit that McCarthy had been right when the identities (and backgrounds) of the majority of the people he was right about will not be brought to the public's attention. Plus, it helps Aaronovitch to pose as an admirer of America. Otherwise people might think that this supposed leftist's support for the Iraq war was related to Israel or something.

OK, let's forget Communists. Jews run America. Britain too?

Does that include the Aaronovitch family?

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3) The USA supports Israel despite not receiving much in exchange - it receives a fair bit more than it would from Palestine, and the US has a record of supporting causes for no real benefit to itself (see: Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Guatemala...)


Never mind Palestine - US support for Israel alienates the US from virtually the entire Muslim Middle East, which has more to offer the US than Israel does.

You only answered half my point...

US support for Israel does not alienate it from the entire Muslim Middle East. The US enjoys good relationships with countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, even Egypt, Afghanistan... the only country it actively has a bad relationship with is Iran, and even that's defrosting. The US is just too valuable an ally (and trade partner) for the elite in those nations to neglect it.



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25 Mar 2015, 1:02 pm

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2) There actually were some Soviet spies in the US in the 50s - surely nobody is surprised? There were US spies in Russia too. I think people mock McCarthy for the hundreds he persecuted for no good reason (such as Arthur Miller himself), not for the few he got right. (Side note: that BBC documentary was made by a Jewish journalist, raised by far-left parents, who supported the Iraq war. Kinda undermines the "Jews and Commies are running the show" thing if they go exposing each other, right?)


2. I never said Commies were running the show at all. I merely provided evidence that Communist subversion in the US in the 40s and 50s was far greater than is generally acknowledged. I did this in defence of what I believe to be one of the OP's general points (that many facts about US 20th and 21st century history and politics are quite different from what most people have been led to believe) against those posters who either won't look at the facts or dismiss them as irrelevant. I believe my own view is simpler than that of the OP though. My own view is that in trying to understand the American political landscape it helps to think not so much in terms of 'Communists', 'cultural Marxists', 'Zionists' or 'neoconservatives' etc but just in terms of Jews using these '-isms' as tools for as long or as short as they deem them useful.

3. I know who Aaronovitch is, and his background does not undermine my argument at all. I specifically chose that link for the benefit of those who won't pay attention to anything unless it's published by a "respectable" media outlet. It's safe enough now all these decades later to admit that McCarthy had been right when the identities (and backgrounds) of the majority of the people he was right about will not be brought to the public's attention. Plus, it helps Aaronovitch to pose as an admirer of America. Otherwise people might think that this supposed leftist's support for the Iraq war was related to Israel or something.

OK, let's forget Communists. Jews run America. Britain too?

Does that include the Aaronovitch family?

Rollo wrote:
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3) The USA supports Israel despite not receiving much in exchange - it receives a fair bit more than it would from Palestine, and the US has a record of supporting causes for no real benefit to itself (see: Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Guatemala...)


Never mind Palestine - US support for Israel alienates the US from virtually the entire Muslim Middle East, which has more to offer the US than Israel does.

You only answered half my point...

US support for Israel does not alienate it from the entire Muslim Middle East. The US enjoys good relationships with countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, even Egypt, Afghanistan... the only country it actively has a bad relationship with is Iran, and even that's defrosting. The US is just too valuable an ally (and trade partner) for the elite in those nations to neglect it.





Yea it does. Most of the Middle East hates us because they hate Israel, and we support Israel. Most of the countries there don't like Saudi anyway, Afghanistan is a failed state, so is Iraq...Syria and Libya are breeding grounds for terrorists usin our machinery funds and guns to amass chaos.

Yes that whole region hates us. Get real, and stop with the PC crap narrative



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25 Mar 2015, 3:06 pm

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To say and do these things, knowingly and purposely routing up the family, destroying children's lives and tearing apart western values ..... These people have no morality. Their stated aim as atheists, and some Zionists, is the destruction of peaceful loving Christian families, all in the order of political control.


For the record, it is the atheist Scientists and Technologist that are doing the heavy lifting in our society. The majority of atheists have peaceful loving families. USA is a heavily pro-Xtian nation. Most Presidents of the USA are openly Xtian.

You are describing a war on Xtian families, I say....wtf?!?

Most American Zionists are either Xtian or Jewish....NOT atheists.



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25 Mar 2015, 7:23 pm

It's not JUST a war on Christians. It is a war on culture, our economy, our happiness, our people (Americans and other people and countries). The Zionist/Jewish influence in our country, and across the world uses the same tactics over and over and over again, repeatedly. Because they have the concentrated money, they have power, and influence. They can even influence nations to do things that are bad for their country, because of money and tactics that most people could never imagine.


You're not aware of this because it's been censored from books, lectures, any reading materials whatsoever or media. If you don't believe me; why don't you take some time to investigate this matter for yourself - it will be much better than me telling you like I am.
This is true I swear it on my heart it's the truth.
I would not lie knowingly. This is the truth.
Take the chance that it might just be true; and start looking for information. What do you have to lose, only that you could be wrong?.. but so what. Don't let fear hold you back, especially from the truth. ...

I'm going to come out and say it - I'm sure I'll be censored somehow, but it needs to be said. We need to stop hiding from this.



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26 Mar 2015, 12:26 am

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You're not aware of this because it's been censored from books, lectures, any reading materials whatsoever or media. If you don't believe me; why don't you take some time to investigate this matter for yourself - it will be much better than me telling you like I am.


How can we investigate it if the Evul Jooish Bankstahs have censored it all? In fact, if their reach is so powerful as you literally just said, how did you find all of this out, and why aren't you and everyone else distributing information on the "conspiracy" being carted off to be ground up into matzo?



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26 Mar 2015, 12:39 am

unrestrained capitalism and greed are what's wrong with the US today. your focus on marxism is keeping you in the dark and your masters love you for it.



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26 Mar 2015, 2:51 am

Returning to Ike's tax Code, top bracket 95%, and he paid off WWII.

Setting up National Political Funds, donations only to parties, with full accounting.

When the people making the money have to pay for the wars and social costs, and Congress is forbidden to take personal bribes, the Ship of State will come to an even keel.



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26 Mar 2015, 9:09 am

I'm an atheist but the other atheists didn't let me in on the huge atheist conspiracy :(



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26 Mar 2015, 9:11 am

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unrestrained capitalism and greed are what's wrong with the US today. your focus on marxism is keeping you in the dark and your masters love you for it.


Using taxpayer money to bailout failed banks and failed automobile manufacturers is not capitalism. It's not socialism either, it's just f****d up.



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26 Mar 2015, 12:43 pm

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You're not aware of this because it's been censored from books, lectures, any reading materials whatsoever or media. If you don't believe me; why don't you take some time to investigate this matter for yourself - it will be much better than me telling you like I am.


How can we investigate it if the Evul Jooish Bankstahs have censored it all? In fact, if their reach is so powerful as you literally just said, how did you find all of this out, and why aren't you and everyone else distributing information on the "conspiracy" being carted off to be ground up into matzo?



Internet - you'd better hurry up though, before net neutrality starts kicking in - and limiting what we're able to see and read :( . Internet, the last bastion of free and infinite knowledge.



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26 Mar 2015, 1:01 pm

Whathappened wrote:
drh1138 wrote:
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You're not aware of this because it's been censored from books, lectures, any reading materials whatsoever or media. If you don't believe me; why don't you take some time to investigate this matter for yourself - it will be much better than me telling you like I am.


How can we investigate it if the Evul Jooish Bankstahs have censored it all? In fact, if their reach is so powerful as you literally just said, how did you find all of this out, and why aren't you and everyone else distributing information on the "conspiracy" being carted off to be ground up into matzo?



Internet - you'd better hurry up though, before net neutrality starts kicking in - and limiting what we're able to see and read :( . Internet, the last bastion of free and infinite knowledge.


And we all know that EVERYTHING that ever came off of the internet is true.



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26 Mar 2015, 5:49 pm

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Rollo wrote:
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2) There actually were some Soviet spies in the US in the 50s - surely nobody is surprised? There were US spies in Russia too. I think people mock McCarthy for the hundreds he persecuted for no good reason (such as Arthur Miller himself), not for the few he got right. (Side note: that BBC documentary was made by a Jewish journalist, raised by far-left parents, who supported the Iraq war. Kinda undermines the "Jews and Commies are running the show" thing if they go exposing each other, right?)


2. I never said Commies were running the show at all. I merely provided evidence that Communist subversion in the US in the 40s and 50s was far greater than is generally acknowledged. I did this in defence of what I believe to be one of the OP's general points (that many facts about US 20th and 21st century history and politics are quite different from what most people have been led to believe) against those posters who either won't look at the facts or dismiss them as irrelevant. I believe my own view is simpler than that of the OP though. My own view is that in trying to understand the American political landscape it helps to think not so much in terms of 'Communists', 'cultural Marxists', 'Zionists' or 'neoconservatives' etc but just in terms of Jews using these '-isms' as tools for as long or as short as they deem them useful.

3. I know who Aaronovitch is, and his background does not undermine my argument at all. I specifically chose that link for the benefit of those who won't pay attention to anything unless it's published by a "respectable" media outlet. It's safe enough now all these decades later to admit that McCarthy had been right when the identities (and backgrounds) of the majority of the people he was right about will not be brought to the public's attention. Plus, it helps Aaronovitch to pose as an admirer of America. Otherwise people might think that this supposed leftist's support for the Iraq war was related to Israel or something.

OK, let's forget Communists. Jews run America. Britain too?


Jewish power and influence is not as extensive in Britain as it is in America (there are even some newspapers in Britain that criticize Israel) but it's not too far off. And (given our globalized world) it's not just through the influence of British Jews of course - for example since America greatly influences Britain then Jewish influence in America influences Britain too.

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Does that include the Aaronovitch family?


It's not about individuals or families, it's about the whole group. You know how some people talk about 'white privilege' and say that even the poorest white people still have it and still somehow perpetuate it every time they do something utterly innocuous? Well, this sort of logic makes more sense when applied to Jewish privilege. Aaronovitch might not be especially rich, and might not seem like much on his own, but he actually has a soapboax to lecture masses of readers about 'anti-Semitism' and the 'benefits' of immigration and how we should all be ashamed for showing insufficient gratitude to 'minorities' - and it's largely down to Jewish privilege that there are so many people like him around with the means to tell the masses what to think.

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Rollo wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
3) The USA supports Israel despite not receiving much in exchange - it receives a fair bit more than it would from Palestine, and the US has a record of supporting causes for no real benefit to itself (see: Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Guatemala...)


Never mind Palestine - US support for Israel alienates the US from virtually the entire Muslim Middle East, which has more to offer the US than Israel does.

You only answered half my point...

US support for Israel does not alienate it from the entire Muslim Middle East. The US enjoys good relationships with countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, even Egypt, Afghanistan... the only country it actively has a bad relationship with is Iran, and even that's defrosting. The US is just too valuable an ally (and trade partner) for the elite in those nations to neglect it.


Sorry, I did not mean to miss half your point. Yes, it's true, the US supports many causes for no real benefit to itself. As I said previously, facts taken in isolation can easily be dismissed as incidental, but when combined together they form a pattern for those who care to look. There are plenty of books explaining the power of the Israel lobby in the US.



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26 Mar 2015, 6:16 pm

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It's not JUST a war on Christians. It is a war on culture, our economy, our happiness, our people (Americans and other people and countries). The Zionist/Jewish influence in our country, and across the world uses the same tactics over and over and over again, repeatedly. Because they have the concentrated money, they have power, and influence. They can even influence nations to do things that are bad for their country, because of money and tactics that most people could never imagine.


This is so incredibly offensive.

How about you spell out what Jewish people are doing to jeopardize anybody's culture,economy, happiness or people.
Be specific.

And be aware that some WP posters either are Jewish or were raised Jewish and know from personal experienece what horrific nonsense this is.



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26 Mar 2015, 6:34 pm

Not only that....but it's not true.



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26 Mar 2015, 6:46 pm

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Jewish power and influence is not as extensive in Britain as it is in America (there are even some newspapers in Britain that criticize Israel) but it's not too far off.

Eh, dunno. I mean, we're prepared to consider a Jewish man for Prime Minister, but I don't believe in Jews have made a serious bid for President lately. Even that Jewish man is forced to eat bacon sandwiches publicly to prove that he's normal.

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Does that include the Aaronovitch family?


It's not about individuals or families, it's about the whole group. You know how some people talk about 'white privilege' and say that even the poorest white people still have it and still somehow perpetuate it every time they do something utterly innocuous? Well, this sort of logic makes more sense when applied to Jewish privilege. Aaronovitch might not be especially rich, and might not seem like much on his own, but he actually has a soapboax to lecture masses of readers about 'anti-Semitism' and the 'benefits' of immigration and how we should all be ashamed for showing insufficient gratitude to 'minorities' - and it's largely down to Jewish privilege that there are so many people like him around with the means to tell the masses what to think.

I think you're rather mischaracterising what "white privilege" is there, but I take your point. Logically, I mean. I don't think it's particularly grounded in fact, particularly as, unlike Jewish people, white Christians haven't been the victims of continent-wide genocide in the past century.

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Sorry, I did not mean to miss half your point. Yes, it's true, the US supports many causes for no real benefit to itself. As I said previously, facts taken in isolation can easily be dismissed as incidental, but when combined together they form a pattern for those who care to look. There are plenty of books explaining the power of the Israel lobby in the US.

The Israel lobby is not the same as the Jew lobby.