Have you developed an existentialist mindset?

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Are you an existentialist?
Yes, I cannot help but believe existence is meaningless and feel derealization from my world. 38%  38%  [ 11 ]
No, I believe we all have a purpose/meaning and I intend to find/live out mine. 24%  24%  [ 7 ]
Maybe. 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Neither 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Unsure. 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Other (please explain) 21%  21%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 29

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22 Mar 2015, 7:00 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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I think also when you're constantly getting bumped and jostled by society and life in general in ways that seem to have zero correlation to any moral story (ie. what you get hammered on for autism usually has nothing to do with classical morality issues), and being raised in the west where everything's cast as a moral story, there's too big of a gap between life experience and prescription. As an end result it just doesn't wash.


Yep agree that there is a gap between life experience and prescription. What I found interesting was the discussion at the bottom of the article.

Cathlynn - Life having whatever meaning you give it. Again agree
but don't agree on comment of making others happy.

I feel that we all have a responsibility for our own actions and we cant make others happy.
People have to be happy in themselves in the first place to be able to be happy. If you have that then you can make the decision to walk away from people that don't make you feel happy.

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22 Mar 2015, 10:22 am

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I feel that we all have a responsibility for our own actions and we cant make others happy.
People have to be happy in themselves in the first place to be able to be happy. If you have that then you can make the decision to walk away from people that don't make you feel happy.

In a lot of ways the struggle to be happy is the struggle to have some kind of bulwark against the hardships in life and, most importantly, to stay alive - ie. not fall at one's on hands. While it would be great if people actually could make others happy it's not really possible; they can contribute in small ways to another person's happiness but it's just as true that the red tape of life is what it is, there's only so much room for one person to intercede for another, and if a person chooses to be miserable there's nothing you can do for them. When people show small tokens of kindness they're likely getting about as much economic impact sent out for effort as they realistically can.


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22 Mar 2015, 10:42 am

The other thing I was going to mention about how my beliefs and outlooks changed; I think it was trading the Christian concept of God - one which seemed to be rapidly unraveling the value of Christ's death fast just by not offering any intercession on the facts of life - for what one might call the neoplatonist panentheistic idea of God, which is the same as Tarot Key 0: The Fool.

I made that change partly in that reading the bible a couple times through back in 2013 some things jumped out at me - mainly the sheer bulk of both Ptolemaic astrology and platonism/neoplatonism. I'd also back in 2012 started researching the NDE phenomena, psy phenomena, comparing narratives, and I think it's been drummed in well enough for me to accept factually - at least for what I'd consider justifiable evidence - that we are clumps of self-awareness in something of a unified field of consciousness that seems separate from us but is really the backdrop, ie. what we're always looking at when we peer through our five senses. It's what a lot of Jungians would call the collective unconscious, or others might call the group subconscious mind, the level at which all of this connects.

I'm spending a lot of my time retooling in respect to how I handle life events. One particular thing about this outlook is that it can be particularly grueling - when you're told that your thoughts create your reality, that at least the big You creates your life limitations to experience something for a reason, and you're going through times in your life where it feels like you're being thrown by the unchangeable headlong into adult failure in possibly all senses of the word. I think this is where a lot of new agers end up temporarily with their belief and then pull back in favor of something else - they'll take quite literally that they can completely change their lives simply by thinking happy thoughts and cutting out all negative, they detach, and for whatever was supposed to happen all too often the right thing happens when they're over extended, can't hold the platitude any longer, and they snap back. I realized that I'd need something with firmer roots and I think I'm finding that more in the western mysteries. The only thing that's a big challenge with the western mysteries is I can, in some orders, get a lot of neoplatonist platitude shoved at me hard and quick and it can trigger my gag reflexes when it's getting too asymmetric to what I'm experiencing - even if it's all true it's superficially counterintuitive and takes a good while to accept past the surface intellectual level of things.

MP Hall said something about the Buddha in one of his lectures saying, right off the top, that this isn't a playground - it's a classroom. I think that's the outlook I can actually make sense of and bring on board, mainly that the world seems to revolve around suffering even if trite alleviation abound. It's a bit like if a person is being thrown headlong at their own worst fears coming to life in the world around them and they have nothing to reach out and grab onto to avert the crisis - they're forced to actually face themselves, their beliefs, their views of themselves, and to survive they need to overcome them. Anymore, even if my life might be the life of someone who'll never be a functional adult in most performance-based standards, I'm learning that this - the grisly side of existence - is where I can do the most work to make sure that I don't come back to start this kind of life and suffering all over again next time around.

To me that structure isn't a God with sheep at the right and goats at the left, it's a God who'll force you to psychoanalyze yourself all the way through life, fix your mistakes, and if you don't fix them you'll find that incarnation is as certain for the dead as death for the living and at return to the world of the living all the unfinished business and unfixed mistakes greets you on your birthday. To me that also suggests that the worst thing a person can do is let themselves panic, to do so makes a mess in a situation where we're being compelled to hold extraordinary poise just to get through and overcome our present mistakes - reaction and self destruction just makes the weight grow.


No one has to agree with what I said above, obviously, but it's interesting to see how a shift from atheistic worldview to neoplatonist is presenting me with a lot of new challenges - challenges which I'm hoping to meet face on as best possible in the course of time.


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26 Mar 2015, 4:52 am

Outrider wrote:
I am only very young but in recent years have developed an existentialist mindset.

I can't help but think life is totally pointless and meaningless.

I also have feelings of depersonalization and derealization. I sometimes feel like this world isn't real, this reality is too constructed, artificial and fake feeling, etc.

I'm not depressed or anything though. I think we should still live life to the fullest. We might as well live life to the fullest in this tiny, tiny little time we have on this planet than just end it now.

Still I've begun to realize just how much I 'drift' through life, especially things like school. I literally put the bare minimum effort into everything to succeed because I'm so apathetic and unmotivated to excel. I'm satisfied with barely trying and getting a C- for example.

Not just school but relationships and friendships as well. There's only a tiny little fraction of people I speak to and am very satisfied with this. Most of them I don't have very strong friendships or relationships with either. My family of course I love them and spend time with them but I also spend a minimal amount of my attention in their lives.

Either way all this conformity gets drilled into my head and I can't stand it. At school they're always mentioning about how we find our 'purpose' in life, how we find meaning. How we 'contribute' as a citizen, as a member of the community, etc. It's starting to get annoying. I'm also a socialist but no I do not believe in this 'find meaning in your life to be a part of your world!! :D Your great, big, exciting, happy world of meaning and purpose!!' stuff.

Anyway enough about me.

So, are you an existentialist? Could it even be an Aspie thing that we are more inclined to these types of philosophies? Or do you think it's not and we can all have different philosophical views? What do you think?

What's your story/when did you start feeling you were an existentialist, why, and how has it changed your perspective on the world?


The existentialist mental state is in part a function of intelligence.
Ask yourself, how many really dumb people wrestle with profound teleological distress?
I have, OTOH, rarely met a superior mind that hasn't tussled with the demon Angst.

Naturally, I do not have any more assurity than the rest of you.
One thing I do think is unassailable and that is.......that if there is a Truth that it CANNOT possibly be a anthropocentric one.
Though our arrogance as a species is surely the stuff of legend, our perspective on anything mustn't be even remotely relevant to any Universal(Multiversal) teleology.

Our perception(neurologically speaking) is 100% guaranteed to be incorrect given that it has, as its only source of information, an incomplete sensory picture of the Universe.
We attempt to accommodate for this grotesque insufficiency with telescopes, microscopes, etc... but our sensory data remains incomplete.

All is subjective and arbitrary.

Evolutionarily, "Live long enough to successfully reproduce" is as close as we can get to any purpose in life.



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27 Mar 2015, 6:47 am

The realisation that life has no intrinsic meaning is precisely why everything you do is meaningful. If your purpose was preordained, it would not be your purpose.



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27 Mar 2015, 8:00 am

Man!!

I should have thought of that (the post immediately above)---it's so true!