[UK] Who will you be voting for in the general election?

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02 Apr 2015, 7:14 am

Tequila wrote:
We don't want to privatise the NHS.

Why not?



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02 Apr 2015, 10:14 am

Because that would make you unelectable.

Replacing the NHS with regional health services, on the other hand... especially if combined with a local (county) sales tax to fund it...

The only good policy that the Greens have is Basic Income, but I don't trust them to implement even that properly, despite it being the simplest way of redistributing wealth that anyone has ever come up with.



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02 Apr 2015, 11:01 am

Tequila wrote:
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[b]If I could vote, I would never vote for UKIP. Privatisation of the NHS


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We don't want to privatise the NHS.




UKIP's dissidents always like to utilize this ad hominem tactic from time to time again while discarding the irrefutable fact that New Labour privatized 10% of the the NHS's resources thanks to Gordon Brown's implementation of private finance initiative (PFI) contracts.


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02 Apr 2015, 3:04 pm

Magneto wrote:
The only good policy that the Greens have is Basic Income,

They dropped that because they couldn't finance it.

I would suggest that they have several excellent policies, but they're undone by a string of crazy ones, like anti-GMO policies, anti-nuclear power policies, a "Beyonce tax"...
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Unfortunately it is always a 2 party thing

Not quite sure how you can say that when we've had three parties in government in the past 6 years!
Tequila wrote:
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[b]If I could vote, I would never vote for UKIP. Privatisation of the NHS


We don't want to privatise the NHS.

The issue is that you don't have anything like a coherent policy on this (or indeed anything - 10% of your party members want to remain in the EU). Farage and Nuttall would both like to, and I imagine many of your low-key Tory defectors would quite like to, but your ex-Labour supporters are dead against it and it seems even the Purple Book libertarian minority like Carswell would like to keep it. Your policy has a habit of swinging drastically in the wind, with Farage and your spokepeople regularly overruling each other within days.

I'm not sure "privatisation" is the issue with the NHS, but rather "free at the point of use". I think privatisation can introduce inefficiency (!), but it doesn't always. The problem is when people can't access healthcare because they can't afford it.
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xenophobic party leader.


How is Nigel Farage xenophobic?

Perhaps quotes where he says he doesn't like to hear foreigners talking, and he wouldn't like a Romanian family moving in next door, lend support to this position?



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03 Apr 2015, 6:10 am

Greens or socialist party; but most likely greens


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03 Apr 2015, 8:55 am

The_Walrus wrote:
The issue is that you don't have anything like a coherent policy on this (or indeed anything - 10% of your party members want to remain in the EU). Farage and Nuttall would both like to, and I imagine many of your low-key Tory defectors would quite like to, but your ex-Labour supporters are dead against it and it seems even the Purple Book libertarian minority like Carswell would like to keep it. Your policy has a habit of swinging drastically in the wind, with Farage and your spokepeople regularly overruling each other within days.


We had an internal party debate about it and the upshot was that we decided that we wanted to keep NHS free at the point of delivery.

I do take your point that we need to become more professionalised though - it's a constant issue with us and it runs throughout our party. The organisation is not there. Our members could badly do with training (very few of our members are trained in dealing with the media) but regional/national office does just not have the money or foresight to put something together. This lack of organisation plays hell with us when we fail to spot "the lunatics" (as our Head of Candidates described them) and a gobby loudmouth of a candidate gets through.

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Perhaps quotes where he says he doesn't like to hear foreigners talking, and he wouldn't like a Romanian family moving in next door, lend support to this position?


As for the first one: I'd be a bit uncomfortable being on a bus or train where no English was being spoken. I would feel like I was living in a foreign land, and I think it's that which Farage meant.

As for the second one: it's fairly obvious he meant gypsies. I would not want to live next door to a family of gypsies but I would be happy enough for a Romanian family to move in (although I would obviously prefer that the entire street didn't suddenly become full of Romanians). Anyway, it's unlikely to happen where I live.



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04 Apr 2015, 3:01 pm

Hey tequila. I'd like to know why you support ukip? I used to also think that British people should come first in our country and there should be less Imigration but I've completely changed my mind on that issue once I learnt more and became more informed.

Immigration isn't the issue so much as inequality and the 1% having the power to basically control everyone else. I think everybody of any race and religion is all worth the same. We all have the same basic human needs; it's not like they are the bad guys. I think the issue is the fact that people care more about money than wellbeing and quality of life. This is the core issue; the system itself is corrupt. It's not 'immigrants destroying our values'. It's let's point the finger at immigrants to take the focus off what the people in power are doing.


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04 Apr 2015, 3:08 pm

Tequila wrote:

As for the second one: it's fairly obvious he meant gypsies.

Is that supposed to make it alright? Prejudice against Romanians is bad but prejudice against Roma isn't?



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04 Apr 2015, 3:21 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Tequila wrote:

As for the second one: it's fairly obvious he meant gypsies.

Is that supposed to make it alright? Prejudice against Romanians is bad but prejudice against Roma isn't?


Ikr gypsies get an unfair bad rep. True that some gypsies families have turned to crime but why do you think that is? They've been ostracised and abused just because of having a different culture and way of life.
Also if you start to treat someone or a group like criminals they will act like criminals. I think Thatcher is a large factor in our now 'intolerance' of gypsies as before her time everyone used to co-exist.

Thatcher ordered for thousands of people's caravan homes to be burned and the people left homeless for pretty much no reason. I cannot remember the entire story but if you look up about 1960s; 1970s UK history it should be there somewhere.


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04 Apr 2015, 6:11 pm

starfox wrote:
Hey tequila. I'd like to know why you support ukip? I used to also think that British people should come first in our country and there should be less Imigration but I've completely changed my mind on that issue once I learnt more and became more informed.

Immigration isn't the issue so much as inequality and the 1% having the power to basically control everyone else. I think everybody of any race and religion is all worth the same. We all have the same basic human needs; it's not like they are the bad guys. I think the issue is the fact that people care more about money than wellbeing and quality of life. This is the core issue; the system itself is corrupt. It's not 'immigrants destroying our values'. It's let's point the finger at immigrants to take the focus off what the people in power are doing.


There is more to being anti-immigration than racism.
There is the fact of how many people are being crowded into such a tiny country that is spoiling everybodies quality of life.
Even Immigrants want a halt on immigration.



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13 Apr 2015, 3:59 pm

I shall be voting Labour next month. I feel that it would be personally irresponsible to vote anything otherwise.



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14 Apr 2015, 1:28 pm

AlanMooresBeard wrote:
I shall be voting Labour next month. I feel that it would be personally irresponsible to vote anything otherwise.


Ah the Labour Party, the sheep's clothing that the wolf who is the Fabien Society wears.

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24 Jul 2015, 9:50 am



I remember this, but I' rather become more immune to it instead of agonizing over it. We've got to keep the country more focused and on an even keel but not underestimate the general public.
:o We can only praise Nigel Farage now for the true honesty in politics and that as our E.U ambassador, his political expertise standby, is sane enough to take with to the next summit.

We need to sort out our approach to securing our borders and not what's campaigning to justify letting millions scapegoat their way into Calais and shopping themselves as fair trade to France.
A devastating report shows more migrants getting into Calais and camping in the Eurotunnel in a bid to come here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33649334Its bad enough Italy aren't retaining homeless refugees, now the night terrors have just begun.. :(


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