Anti-vaxers go crazy, viciously attack pols
Looking at the OP, as well as looking at how this is in a forum specifically related to autism, it appears this thread is about the supposed, but unsupported by science, connection between vaccines and autism.
Talking about specific epidemics seems to get away from the topic of the forum this thread is posted in.
There is the Wakefield study, which was made unreproducible because it did not explain how its participants were selected. Just about all other studies, however, show no connection at all, whatsoever.
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You were answering my question which asked "What was the most recent 'new epidemic that would infect millions [your phrase, not mine]' and how did it play out legally?" Your answer was to proffer the Disneyland measles "outbreak", not an epidemic. So, who changed the meaning of your words? Not me, certainly.
"You people"?!? Thanks! Who else do you refer to as "you people"? Jews? Blacks? Latinos? Disabled? Catholics? LGBTs? I believe that you are, indeed, in good company, my friend.
Sooo, you admit that vaccines aren't "safe and effective" like the federal government says? Cool. Neither do I!
As I wrote, "You are, of course, free to believe what you will. I and others like me won’t denigrate others, even if others denigrate us." Thank you for proving that statement.
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You were answering my question which asked "What was the most recent 'new epidemic that would infect millions [your phrase, not mine]' and how did it play out legally?" Your answer was to proffer the Disneyland measles "outbreak", not an epidemic. So, who changed the meaning of your words? Not me, certainly. 1
"You people"?!? Thanks! Who else do you refer to as "you people"? Jews? Blacks? Latinos? Disabled? Catholics? LGBTs? I believe that you are, indeed, in good company, my friend. 2
Sooo, you admit that vaccines aren't "safe and effective" like the federal government says? Cool. Neither do I! 3
As I wrote, "You are, of course, free to believe what you will. I and others like me won’t denigrate others, even if others denigrate us." Thank you for proving that statement. 4
1. Actually yes, it was you who changed the meaning of what I was saying. When I mentioned the possibility of a new epidemic, as the result of prolonged lack of vaccination, you asserted to tie that to a factual, current event, not me. I was talking about the future, but you not only missed that once, but twice, even after I had explained it to you.
2. EXCUSE ME?! Who the hell do you think you are to come on here, criticize me for sticking with medical science, and then say that to me?! Get off your f**king high horse, and stop trying to paint me as something I am not! You have crossed the line here!
3. Statistically, they are safe and effective, only an idiot would deny statistical facts.
4. Yet more nonsense coming from a person who clearly has no clue about the topic at hand.
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Research? Like in a lab? With a proper set up and statistical analysis? Oh, is that not what you meant? Ok then so these parents did their very own epidemiological studies with a team of statisticians? Oh. No? That's not what you meant by research either? OH, ok. So you mean that they read scholarly articles from well known and accepted scientific and medical journals. Oh... not that either?
So... they googled it then? That's not research.
belief does not equal fact
But, beliefs should be respected, not denigrated.
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But, beliefs should be respected, not denigrated.
In the scientific community, belief is irrelevant, only factual data is relevant, and that factual data cannot objectively come from a bunch of people who have no degree whatsoever, in the necessary fields of study.
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But, beliefs should be respected, not denigrated.
In the scientific community, belief is irrelevant, only factual data is relevant, and that factual data cannot objectively come from a bunch of people who have no degree whatsoever, in the necessary fields of study.
Here on WrongPlanet.net, beliefs can be respected. In fact, the rules expect it ( http://www.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73836 ).
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But, beliefs should be respected, not denigrated.
In the scientific community, belief is irrelevant, only factual data is relevant, and that factual data cannot objectively come from a bunch of people who have no degree whatsoever, in the necessary fields of study.
Here on WrongPlanet.net, beliefs can be respected. In fact, the rules expect it ( http://www.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73836 ).
And no-one has disrespected your beliefs, merely disagreed with you. There is a difference.
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Makes me wonder why people say such things....
Because, all the evidence to the contrary is not entirely dissuasive.
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And it appears I am correct (emphasis added):
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.
viewtopic.php?t=73836
This is from one of the stickies at the top of this forum.
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Makes me wonder why people say such things....
Because, all the evidence to the contrary is not entirely dissuasive.
What evidence do you use?
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"You have a responsibility to consider all sides of a problem and a responsibility to make a judgment and a responsibility to care for all involved." --Ian Danskin
Well, this page shows that Wakefield's paper has not been independently verified:
http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2011/05/ ... on-of.html
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