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16 May 2015, 6:13 pm

The best one can hope to get from this, whatever ‘this’ is, is to identify with me in your own life and know that you don’t have to be useless alone, or it’s an open door invitation to a genuinely nice person (probably a woman of my age living in another country) to be a good samaritan by inspiring hope by reminding you/me of the things you do and yet don’t want to hear (the kind of things that would definitely work, if life played out like a romantic film or you were like the other 99.9% of the population and things just worked…zing) and naturally this or these great advisors wouldn’t look at you/me in a romantic way, oh no, but someone, some day , somewhere will of course…..won’t they???

Love is and always has (so long as I was in a desperate enough position to need it, which I can’t ever see changing ever since a few years back) been too dangerous for me, because it’s dangerous to obsess, fantasize or think excessively about something you have countless reasons to know you’ll never have, the conversations, romance, sex etc- never gonna happen because believe it or not it requires two ‘consenting people’, not one irreversibly deluded idiot and his imaginary lover and who puts off a girl (maybe subliminally or subconsciously) just by looking at her.

I am better than this, better than being the unrequited love-slave forced to face the (often internal) humiliation and constant rejection of something that only 50% of me (at most) can and has ever actually genuinely wanted (previous to which I lived in harmony successfully rejecting/supressing love) and now cannot escape. Some people are just so socially defective (such as myself, but not in a way which is immediately obvious, oh no that’d be too easy) that all girls (to one degree or another) immediately or eventually must surely feel uncomfortable around you/me (even though you’re not the weird guy on the bus who tries to talk/flirt with everyone or the moody aspie who frightens people off with his hatred for his rejection or the social recluse who never ever talks to anyone), you can be none of those things but still get overlooked, ignored and rejected. All the potential answers that you hope could open doors for you are never really there or don’t ever happen how you hope (because your hopes are based on fiction, the only true understanding and examples of various situations that you have in your miserably sheltered life).

You’d like to imagine that there are aspie social or support groups you could go to and that because you’re somehow so socially inept, that automatically so too are the girls (in their own sexy way) and thus they simply must fall in love with you (the one of a few who actually understands them), but it doesn’t work that way even when such clubs do exist and instead it’s like everything else in your life all over again in that barriers immediately go up and the loosely termed ‘friendships’ within that club (or any type of club that one is suggested to attend if one has hardly any friends and is unlikely to meet someone otherwise) ends at the door just before you leave or maybe doesn’t even make it that far as you discover that apparently there are many different kinds of aspies and aspieness and once again you’re in that minority of the minority. What follows on from this is then obvious because you never really managed to establish any rapport with any women (even though you/I hold conversations which can even draw laughter and can be engaging) and you just pathetically feel alienated and threatened by anyone or almost everyone else who eventually makes the connection you never could (or have) only to gradually form a relationship, or go to each other’s houses to socialise further or pretty much anything that someone such as myself virtually never gets to experience.

It’s ironic that some guys complain about never getting beyond their first dates (yes plural, meaning they’ve had a few), well at least you’ve had dates (possibly NT women- WTF, how??) and the fact that you can get to this stage is far more than some others such as myself can or probably will ever succeed in. For someone like me (and the other guys who are nodding and agreeing in silence at home alone by their computers right now) life is (as far as love is concerned) all about seeing beautiful women (and if you’re very lucky, actually getting to talk to them for whatever reason) and perhaps in the space of a short time you imagine what it’d be like to be with someone you actually want to be with (rather than settling for what you’d consider a 4/10, like I did, much to my regret- IDIOT!!). I’ll leave it there for now because if I’m lucky, some people will read and a few might even relate, hell one or two might sympathize and give some good advice if I really pray hard enough.


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17 May 2015, 6:43 am

Hopeless_Aspie_Guy wrote:
The best one can hope to get from this, whatever ‘this’ is, is to identify with me in your own life and know that you don’t have to be useless alone, or it’s an open door invitation to a genuinely nice person (probably a woman of my age living in another country) to be a good samaritan by inspiring hope by reminding you/me of the things you do and yet don’t want to hear (the kind of things that would definitely work, if life played out like a romantic film or you were like the other 99.9% of the population and things just worked…zing) and naturally this or these great advisors wouldn’t look at you/me in a romantic way, oh no, but someone, some day , somewhere will of course…..won’t they???

Love is and always has (so long as I was in a desperate enough position to need it, which I can’t ever see changing ever since a few years back) been too dangerous for me, because it’s dangerous to obsess, fantasize or think excessively about something you have countless reasons to know you’ll never have, the conversations, romance, sex etc- never gonna happen because believe it or not it requires two ‘consenting people’, not one irreversibly deluded idiot and his imaginary lover and who puts off a girl (maybe subliminally or subconsciously) just by looking at her.

I am better than this, better than being the unrequited love-slave forced to face the (often internal) humiliation and constant rejection of something that only 50% of me (at most) can and has ever actually genuinely wanted (previous to which I lived in harmony successfully rejecting/supressing love) and now cannot escape. Some people are just so socially defective (such as myself, but not in a way which is immediately obvious, oh no that’d be too easy) that all girls (to one degree or another) immediately or eventually must surely feel uncomfortable around you/me (even though you’re not the weird guy on the bus who tries to talk/flirt with everyone or the moody aspie who frightens people off with his hatred for his rejection or the social recluse who never ever talks to anyone), you can be none of those things but still get overlooked, ignored and rejected. All the potential answers that you hope could open doors for you are never really there or don’t ever happen how you hope (because your hopes are based on fiction, the only true understanding and examples of various situations that you have in your miserably sheltered life).

You’d like to imagine that there are aspie social or support groups you could go to and that because you’re somehow so socially inept, that automatically so too are the girls (in their own sexy way) and thus they simply must fall in love with you (the one of a few who actually understands them), but it doesn’t work that way even when such clubs do exist and instead it’s like everything else in your life all over again in that barriers immediately go up and the loosely termed ‘friendships’ within that club (or any type of club that one is suggested to attend if one has hardly any friends and is unlikely to meet someone otherwise) ends at the door just before you leave or maybe doesn’t even make it that far as you discover that apparently there are many different kinds of aspies and aspieness and once again you’re in that minority of the minority. What follows on from this is then obvious because you never really managed to establish any rapport with any women (even though you/I hold conversations which can even draw laughter and can be engaging) and you just pathetically feel alienated and threatened by anyone or almost everyone else who eventually makes the connection you never could (or have) only to gradually form a relationship, or go to each other’s houses to socialise further or pretty much anything that someone such as myself virtually never gets to experience.

It’s ironic that some guys complain about never getting beyond their first dates (yes plural, meaning they’ve had a few), well at least you’ve had dates (possibly NT women- WTF, how??) and the fact that you can get to this stage is far more than some others such as myself can or probably will ever succeed in. For someone like me (and the other guys who are nodding and agreeing in silence at home alone by their computers right now) life is (as far as love is concerned) all about seeing beautiful women (and if you’re very lucky, actually getting to talk to them for whatever reason) and perhaps in the space of a short time you imagine what it’d be like to be with someone you actually want to be with (rather than settling for what you’d consider a 4/10, like I did, much to my regret- IDIOT!!). I’ll leave it there for now because if I’m lucky, some people will read and a few might even relate, hell one or two might sympathize and give some good advice if I really pray hard enough.


I'm confused. You first speak as if you have not been able to attract the interests of any woman, and in such a way that conveys envy of men who can get dates, and then you state that you did indeed attract a woman but are not happy with her as she is a 4 out of 10. Do I understand correctly? In that case, it is not that you cannot get a woman. It's that you have not yet secured a relationship with the girl of your dreams.



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17 May 2015, 7:12 am

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I'm confused. You first speak as if you have not been able to attract the interests of any woman, and in such a way that conveys envy of men who can get dates, and then you state that you did indeed attract a woman but are not happy with her as she is a 4 out of 10. Do I understand correctly? In that case, it is not that you cannot get a woman. It's that you have not yet secured a relationship with the girl of your dreams.


Ok, basically I've only ever had one relationship, last year for a couple of months and it was a joke, partly because I settled (for one of the few girls who liked me) and also because of how much of a wreck she was emotionally.


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17 May 2015, 6:43 pm

Have you considered that girls aren't simply objects to be acquired or granted of sexual favors?



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18 May 2015, 1:59 am

Hopeless_Aspie_Guy wrote:
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I'm confused. You first speak as if you have not been able to attract the interests of any woman, and in such a way that conveys envy of men who can get dates, and then you state that you did indeed attract a woman but are not happy with her as she is a 4 out of 10. Do I understand correctly? In that case, it is not that you cannot get a woman. It's that you have not yet secured a relationship with the girl of your dreams.


Ok, basically I've only ever had one relationship, last year for a couple of months and it was a joke, partly because I settled (for one of the few girls who liked me) and also because of how much of a wreck she was emotionally.


It's healthy to have standards in relationships and so there is no shame in wanting someone who is higher than a 4 out of 10 by your own ranking system. I think it's also conducive to one's personal health to acknowledge one's own place on the 0-10 scale, and the likely ranking of the mates available to them as a result.

Of course there is a lot of subjectivity in this and your perception that someone is a 10/10 and wouldn't want you because of it could be inaccurate for a variety of reasons, but one should not ignore what is available to them, and represent the situation as if no one is available to them. It is better to just admit that you have standards and can't find a mate who meets them.



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18 May 2015, 2:49 am

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Have you considered that girls aren't simply objects to be acquired or granted of sexual favors?


Wow, that's a really helpful response. :roll:

By the way, nobody is talking about sexual favours.



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18 May 2015, 5:38 am

Jono wrote:
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Have you considered that girls aren't simply objects to be acquired or granted of sexual favors?


Wow, that's a really helpful response. :roll:

By the way, nobody is talking about sexual favours.


I can't find a 'like' or 'thumbs up' to press, so basically what he^^^^^ or she :? :| said!! (sorry, no gender info could be found).


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20 May 2015, 3:06 pm

Hopeless_Aspie_Guy wrote:
Jono wrote:
Cartier wrote:
Have you considered that girls aren't simply objects to be acquired or granted of sexual favors?


Wow, that's a really helpful response. :roll:

By the way, nobody is talking about sexual favours.


I can't find a 'like' or 'thumbs up' to press, so basically what he^^^^^ or she :? :| said!! (sorry, no gender info could be found).


It's he, and thanks. I don't know why gender no longer shows. Alex said that he would re-add gender and diagnosis on the profile pages but he only re-added diagnosis.

Anyway, I don't know why there are no more responses to this thread.



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20 May 2015, 5:10 pm

I think after what I did today (and as a result, what I regrettably realised) is gonna require a whole new thread/topic anyway, because I'm in a real dilemma now and it's quite possibly my more unique aspieness (over typical aspies on here) that may have caused it. :cry: :| :?


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I think after what I did today (and as a result, what I regrettably realised) is gonna require a whole new thread/topic anyway, because I'm in a real dilemma now and it's quite possibly my more unique aspieness (over typical aspies on here) that may have caused it. :cry: :| :?


Ok, what happened?



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20 May 2015, 6:42 pm

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Hopeless_Aspie_Guy wrote:
I think after what I did today (and as a result, what I regrettably realised) is gonna require a whole new thread/topic anyway, because I'm in a real dilemma now and it's quite possibly my more unique aspieness (over typical aspies on here) that may have caused it. :cry: :| :?


Ok, what happened?


Here's p1 of 2. Click the link.
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=bbi ... V0W6UZkZow

And below is the second and final part (with parts of what I can remember I said).
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=bbi ... V0XDkZkZow

And my conclusion (in brief) is that coupled with other incidents (typically where I say something wrong) I realized that this type of response is probably typical for any women (even probably some of you guys) and realistically (when I eventually get a reply to an opening message again) this'll happen again and although I'm not doing it on purpose, there's no reason why someone should have to respond in the way I want them to and such is the reason this is never going to work out. Incidentally I sent good messages out to some 20-30 women whose profile I carefully read (many other being discarded) and apart from a one-liner replying woman, she was the only one and we'd been chatting a couple of days.


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21 May 2015, 11:46 am

Hopeless_Aspie_Guy wrote:
Jono wrote:
Hopeless_Aspie_Guy wrote:
I think after what I did today (and as a result, what I regrettably realised) is gonna require a whole new thread/topic anyway, because I'm in a real dilemma now and it's quite possibly my more unique aspieness (over typical aspies on here) that may have caused it. :cry: :| :?


Ok, what happened?


Here's p1 of 2. Click the link.
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=bbi ... V0W6UZkZow

And below is the second and final part (with parts of what I can remember I said).
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=bbi ... V0XDkZkZow

And my conclusion (in brief) is that coupled with other incidents (typically where I say something wrong) I realized that this type of response is probably typical for any women (even probably some of you guys) and realistically (when I eventually get a reply to an opening message again) this'll happen again and although I'm not doing it on purpose, there's no reason why someone should have to respond in the way I want them to and such is the reason this is never going to work out. Incidentally I sent good messages out to some 20-30 women whose profile I carefully read (many other being discarded) and apart from a one-liner replying woman, she was the only one and we'd been chatting a couple of days.


Unfortunately, I can't read those because it's blocked behind the proxy here. I've also sent messages to many people on OKCupid and only a few reply. Usually, I'd suggest talking about a common interest or something to keep them interested. Otherwise, I don't know how to help you further without seeing those threads that you've posted.



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22 May 2015, 4:33 pm

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Jono wrote:
Hopeless_Aspie_Guy wrote:
I think after what I did today (and as a result, what I regrettably realised) is gonna require a whole new thread/topic anyway, because I'm in a real dilemma now and it's quite possibly my more unique aspieness (over typical aspies on here) that may have caused it. :cry: :| :?


Ok, what happened?


Here's p1 of 2. Click the link.
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=bbi ... V0W6UZkZow

And below is the second and final part (with parts of what I can remember I said).
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=bbi ... V0XDkZkZow

And my conclusion (in brief) is that coupled with other incidents (typically where I say something wrong) I realized that this type of response is probably typical for any women (even probably some of you guys) and realistically (when I eventually get a reply to an opening message again) this'll happen again and although I'm not doing it on purpose, there's no reason why someone should have to respond in the way I want them to and such is the reason this is never going to work out. Incidentally I sent good messages out to some 20-30 women whose profile I carefully read (many other being discarded) and apart from a one-liner replying woman, she was the only one and we'd been chatting a couple of days.


Ok, so now I understand the problem. You were writing a monologue about sci-fi TV shows or something, not realising that she wasn't that interested. She then made a joke or was sarcastic which you didn't pick up on and you took her seriously. I think that what killed your interaction with her was when you said that the joke was annoying.

On a dating site when you're chatting to someone, never tell them that they're annoying, or for that matter, say anything negative about your interaction with them because that will almost always cause them to stop messaging you and kill your chances of a date every single time. To improve your chances, what I'd suggest is to rather ask her questions about herself and answer her when she asks questions about you rather than writing monologues and walls of text about your special interest. Yes, I know that this a common thing that us aspies do but just as people can be turned off or get bored when we do this in real life, the same can happen in online interactions as well and I think that this may be another thing that has caused her to break off contact with you. This doesn't mean that you can't talk about special interests when chatting with a potential date online but in order to do that, you should ask her questions as in order to get a feel about which kinds of interests that you have in common and also let her ask you questions.

To take an example, you mentioned sci-fi shows or films in your exchange. If you want to talk for example about Star Wars, you could ask her for instance:

"What do you think think about the new Star Wars movie that's coming out?"

Then she replies what she thinks and then asks you a question and then you can answer it, even giving a long reply.

The trick here is to have some kind of exchange, rather than unloading an information dump from the get go.

One more thing, in order to increase the chances that someone will reply to a first message, you can also take something from her profile and ask about it. For example, if you read in that she she likes a particular kind of movie, you can ask "Hi …, I see that you like …, are there any … films in particular that you like?" (Just replace my ellipses with whatever it is.)

Sorry, that I didn't have a better reply sooner. I stay in a university res during the week and sometimes when you post images like that on a hosting service, it get's blocked by the university proxy, so I can't read them.

P.S. Next time, please take screenshots of your side of the conversation as well. This response was based what I could infer from the screenshots of her responses. Screenshots of your actual messages are more helpful in understanding what went wrong than just descriptions of what you said.



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22 May 2015, 4:43 pm

Prolonged conversation with a girl over the internet leads to nothing.



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22 May 2015, 4:49 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prolonged conversation with a girl over the internet leads to nothing.


I'm not talking about prolonged conversation necessarily. You can organise a date after exchanging just a few messages. However, what I'm suggesting is that you should still have some kind of give and take in the conversation, even if it's only a few messages. Avoid the information dumps because that almost always causes them to stop messaging or replying to you.



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22 May 2015, 4:52 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prolonged conversation with a girl over the internet leads to nothing.


I'm not talking about prolonged conversation necessarily. You can organise a date after exchanging just a few messages. However, what I'm suggesting is that you should still have some kind of give and take in the conversation, even if it's only a few messages. Avoid the information dumps because that almost always causes them to stop messaging or replying to you.


That's because most of them hate geeks and dumping info like an encyclopedia is a geek/nerd stereotype.

Don't you know Jono? Tbh....women are so "alike", and behave so extremely similarly to same stimulus, they are very predictable, especially if you sort them by culture - truth to be said.

The older you get the more you'll realize what I mean.