Hobby Lobby Revelation.

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Looking at this, the method seems to be pretty messed up. From the same link:

This is part of the reason I do not like my money going toward IBLP or ATI and when I shop at Hobby Lobby, I shouldn't have to shop at IBLP or ATI by default. I also do not like their mind control agenda and yes, they do have one. If given the chance, they would outlaw all kinds of birth control and enforce a dress code to prevent what they call defrauding which is a way of saying no one can control their urges because of clothing. They would also put Bible study in the public schools and I believe in separation of church and state and it should be in the churches. What they want is for everyone to be robots that recite Bible verses. No one would be allowed to have a mind of their own. They always find excuses for everything. They can't blame it on a broken home so they blame it on the way someone dresses or the parents not being in the same room. This just goes to show you can come from a home that isn't "broken" and still have issues. Nothing is ever perfect. It never will be and we all just have to accept it instead of always blaming each other.

Ana,

Kinda reminds me of that Muslim rapist in Australia who said he wouldn't have raped had the victim, a woman, been wearing a burka. Thank God the court didn't buy it.

you don't shop at walmart either right? they support human right violations, pollution and destruction of the environment, and many more.

I still shop there because I'm poor. really so many people are finding all kinds of reasons to hate hobby lobby now adays. don't you have jo anns or michaels or franklin craft stores.

manly craft stores. oh how I wish we had one here .

I'm glad, too.

We have Jo Ann and Michaels but when it comes to actual art supplies, Hobby Lobby has the best selection and price around here. The others are more craft/sewing stores but Michael's does have some art supplies.
I shop at Wal Mart too, for the same reason you do but they are not as fanatical as HL. The owners of HL are very religious and if they aren't quiverfull, they are pretty close, and I guess they have the right since they have a ton of money but I don't want them deciding stuff for me and acting all sanctimonious and like they should decide everything for everyone based on the Bible just because they have money.

Gothard may not be long for this world, but doubtlessly his organization and legacy will long out live him. I am reminded of a quote by Berthold Brecht:

"Do not rejoice you men. The Bastard is dead, but the b***h that gave birth to him is still in heat."

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I do like JoAnne Fabrics. Although I supose it's not the best if you don't want fabric.

"Christian" parents inevitably try isolating their kids from the wickedness of the outside world. If you believe that if your son accidentally finds a copy of Playboy in a garbage can he will turn into a child molester, it then makes sense to eliminate ALL temptation.

Years ago, maybe six years ago, fundie parents in California were arrested for beating a girl they'd adopted from Liberia to a point where she died. Her crime? Mispronouncing a single word in a homeschool textbook. A second Liberian girl had also been beaten, but she lived.

Years earlier this couple had adopted three girls, all sisters, from Liberia, in addition to having two biological kids. Neighbors said that they rarely saw the wife or children, and when they did the children were marching around the neighborhood under orders from Dad. The kids never played outside or traveled anywhere.

There were rumors that the parents belonged to an underground group of fundamentalists in their city called the Wide Area Church. The few people who were able to observe the kids said that the Liberian girls were treated much more harshly than the biological kids. (The parents and biological kids were white, the Liberians were of course black.) People pointed to fundamentalist texts that prescribed severe beatings for even very mild wrongs.

I've heard of a man who uses his woodworking skills to make paddles in order to chastise children with; he carves the words THE ROD into each one. There have been other cases of fundies beating kids to death-in one case a two year old was beaten for several hours straight in order to "break his will". He died.

Also, I once met a young woman online who was a member of an extremist Christian family who was kept indoors and not schooled for her entire childhood to "keep her pure". The only instruction she got was religious. It had the opposite effect-when she finally broke free she ended up in a series of abusive relationships and eventually got involved in extremely violent bondage sex. She was lamenting that it was all her parents' fault, that she really didn't even LIKE the kinky sex but felt trapped and addicted.

And then there's the woman who was led to believe that sex was something a woman endured for the sake of reproduction. Once she got to college, she quickly found that sex was enjoyable, contrary to what her parents said, and suddenly she was like a starving lion set loose in a herd of antelope. She simply could NOT get enough. Finally her parents showed up and dragged her away. The person who relayed this tale to me didn't know what happened to her afterwords.

Suppressing natural human instincts always has a bad end, if not for the parents then the kids.

Hopefully Grandma isn't one of those types who says "Oh, why would you want THAT ratty old thing? It's a piece of junk! It has no value to you or anybody else! yadayadayada..." My mom kept letting interesting stuff go to the dump rather than let me have it. I lost an oak Art Deco desk and a cool 1920s mahogany chest of drawers, among other things. She refused to give me her dead father's pickup, and sold it for a few hundred bucks instead. A few months later, it was on the news, because it had been used in a burglary. She was heartbroken. Obviously, if I had it, it wouldn't have been viewed as a junk throwaway car for a burglar.

As for thrift stores, they're not so great anymore. I remember when they had really cool stuff. Now it's all cheap clothes and particle board furniture from the 80s.

Thanks for the link but those places do not have how-to art books, sketch/drawing/watercolor pads, charcoal, wide variety of paints, brushes, and colored pencils. Hobby Lobby has a lot of selection and it has a 40% coupon they publish every Sunday to be used Monday through Saturday so if I want to buy a book, I can get it 40% which isn't bad. Michael's coupons are for 30% off and there's a lot of exclusions all in very fine print typed all over the bottom of the coupon. I really hate that. A coupon shouldn't have twenty exclusions. HL has sale priced items excluded but not books, unless they are on sale. So, it's a great place to find art supplies rather than stuff like fabrics.

I am not just posting this to talk about a place I never visit I go with a coupon nearly once a week to buy a book if nothing else. I just bought a big pack of colored pencils last week so I am very familiar with what it is they carry. Although many people only see the home goods type things they sell like furniture, lamps and wall decor they keep in the first part of the store, not to mention the dreaded fake flowers which I think of as dusters and dust collectors and since I'm allergic to dust, I don't keep stuff like that and don't buy them, they have so much more than just little nick-nacks and glass collectibles like piggy banks.

Go to the back of the store, you will see all their merchandise that doesn't revolve around decorating your home, for the true hobbiest or enthusiast. They keep that stuff hidden away. They also have a lot of frames and a framing department back there.

walmart and others are a bit anti gun and fund anti gun groups. I try to shop at winco as much as I can for food, but for other things I do shop at walmart oddly including ammunition.
hl probably like walmart want your money whether they hate you or not. greed. its the only reason an anti gun store would sell the very things they'll against. but like others said they have the right to spend their profits how they like, it doesn't directly affect you.

not really fair to say well because you sell stuff you no longer have freedom.

It does directly affect me if HL funds religious fanatics. I am surrounded by them. It's a major issue here. People use religion as an excuse to hate and control others. It's not just about their personal choice, their personal faith. Believe me, they have an agenda and their agenda is to cross that line.

Mahogany and oak went to the dump? Now I'm sad. Lucky for me I had the hoarding type of grandma so in amongst the bric-a-brac was a first edition of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. Maybe Grandpa was a libertarian? I'm not a huge Ayn Rand fan but first editions are hard to come by. He must have bought it in college.

The loss of that exquisite furniture is pretty sad.

There's Micheal's, and there is A.C. Moore's. Don't they sell the same stuff as Hobby Lobby?

It seems that way but HL is actually in a different league than Michael's. It's a lot better.

Not sure what A.C. Moore is like since we don't have those where I live.

I was in a class with a couple of people from the HL family so I have actually met two of the immediate family and I am disappointed at this revelation. Had no idea they were any more than a religious family with a lot of kids which is not what I am criticizing. It's the right to do what you choose to...as in have kids or not, which is nobody's business but yours. This is another reason I am so disillusioned.


And while we should all have that right, it pays to be cognizant of certain realities. We all know the chances of most people landing a lucrative income just because they have an army of kids is not realistic so it's good to plan what you can realistically deal with but the far right are painting this rosy picture on it like it's a breeze to have more children than you can handle but it will lead to hardship, difficulty and trauma for the vast majority of people and they need to know the realities instead of being sold this idyllic utopia of family togetherness where everyone gets along, there's always plenty of money and room, it's so easy and affordable to take a family of say, fifteen kids on an expensive trip. That is not the reality for so many people, just for the few. So, there's a good chance of getting in over your head and being overwhelmed later and I would tell people of this because I know from my own family what it's like to be poor with a lot of kids and I feel like I should tell people this since they are not hearing about the difficulties, they are being covered up.