US State Department sponsored Training of ISIS Terrorists

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That's quite a misleading thread title you've got. If an American soldier ran off and joined IS, would you be claiming that Americans have been training IS soldiers, because it would be technically true?

Interesting.

ISIS is clearly at least an accidental partial byproduct of US policy.

Whether ISIS, as we know it, is the intended deliberately created end product of American policy is hard to say ( it could be an in between monster of Frankenstein that we created but that got out of hand).

But it is curious how despite acting like the incarnation of evil to the local people they conquer -in the short term ISIS has done more to help US foreign policy in the region than to hurt it: by keeping the balance of power from tipping too far away from America's allies in the ME region, and to far towards Iran and its allies.

If ISIS suddenly disappeared tomorrow the first thing that would happen would be that Netanyahu would soil his pants!

And so would the Saudi sheiks in Riyahd.

Coincidence? Or not?

Hard to say.

The US has aided ISIS in every stage of its development, is it any surprise that we find ourselves on the same side as ISIS again in Yemen?

There is a war between the Sunni and Shia that the US is taking sides in seperate from our war with jihadists, our issues with Iran are mostly geopolitical in nature as opposed to religious extremism so our beef with them needs to be squashed yesterday. Ensuring Sunni-domination of the world's oil producing countries should not be the foreign policy of the United States, it is from countries these Sunni Arab countries that almost all terrorism flows out of yet we still ally with them. This ensures loyalty from autocratic rulers of these countries but they don't and can't control their own people.The US sees it as a numbers game, the are far far more Sunni and they occupy the most of the oil producing territories right now. Why does the US have such a problem with Assad to the point that they're willing to let ISIS replace him, is it because his relations with Russia and Iran? Is it because of Israel? The fact is that there would be far far fewer people dead and in bondage today if the West never got involved in any of this Arab Spring garbage but I guess the ball was moving on that long before that was a thing.

No surprise, we've been funding our own enemies for decades whether directly or indirectly.

The US is helping Shite and Sunni fight each other. We semi support Saudi Arabia fighting Iranians, Iranians fighting ISIS etc. Maybe I am giving our foreign policy too much credit maybe we are just confused and clueless.

Created daesh? Indirectly yes. I doubt there is any honest question about that. It was constituted from several sources, and the USA gave most of those the inspiration to become what they are.

Do i believe that US taxpayer funds were used to train people who now fight for daesh? I'd be flabbergasted if someone suggested that this had not happened.

It's very hard to tell the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter if the gun isn't pointed directly at or away from you. Ever since Charlie Wilson and probably before that, we just LOVE to find someone who seems to share some goals with us at that moment and train them up and give them some munitions.

Our reluctance to really pick someone in the syrian uprising and back them fully was actually sort of a refreshing approach, and something that surprised me.

But still, we have photographs of old man McCain paling around with some of daesh's founding leaders. Because at the time we thought they were moderates and good guys who share our values.

But, even considering all that, profit from it? whaa? explain.

Well, you can't really create something that's already there to begin with, and they had more than enough training.

IS is:

Ex-Baathist (Saddam's crew)
Ex-Iraqi army; the Sunni one from before 2003 (Saddam's crew)
Al-Qaeda in Iraq (Sunni radicals)
Iraqi Nationalist Groups (Sunni. Various resistance groups formed post-2003)
Sunni "militia" and tribals
some globetrotting jihadists

In other words, the Sunni leaders and citizens of Iraq that were kicked out in 2003 and fought the US in the insurgency period (Sunni areas). They sorta stopped expending themselves against the US when they figured the US is going to leave.

They want their Iraq back from the Shia majority that were put in power post-2003.

They're taking advantage of the Syrian civil war to gain some land.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were still a strong-man dictatorship ruling iraq with an iron fist?

I think this thread is a bit of a stretch... In the Arab Middle East, to suggest such an anathema would be to suggest that Islamists are not only stupid, but are all bought off by Ameri-fat shekels, advancing the empire of the federal reserve, to make glorious the Big Satan at the expense of Allah. Now, this is a great way to fight ISIS propaganda, by dismissing their very founding and the motives that continues to animate millions around the world as furthering Zionist-owned US interests. But I think you have to grant the millions of Jihadists around the world who praise their Islamist movement of choice, some moral agency... that they aren't just reacting to forces beyond themselves but that they actually believe the things they believe, and have the free will to act on those beliefs.

Even if ISIS has our fingerprints all over it, how do you account for all the morons around the world who support them? What's your excuse for those fine folks who have declared the caliphate in Sinai and in Libya and in Jordan and Syria, and their local terrorist activities against non-Islamic minorities? And why did it take the Islamic world so long to condemn not only ISIS, but all of the terrorism that has come from them, especially the terrorism they've expressed against fellow Muslims?