Is freedom a threat to freedom?
I suppose he perceived it as his self-interest, however, that still doesn't mean that I do not view it as unwarranted in this case. The reason being that I am assuming that he is wanting some respect, as respect will help him make a convincing case. The flame war loses my respect, which means that he may in this case have miscalculated his interests. It is similarly true that he may perceive that being banned may do him a favor as he states. I might tend more towards the miscalculation argument though given that he didn't go in seeking a flame war but rather got caught in one for misconstruing some statements.
Democracy = Governement by people = stupid
Get the picture?
Well, if we argue this line of thinking then we can essentially lead to the point that all governments are stupid or corrupted. Governments without responsibility to their people will not take into account the benefits of those groups in most instance and be ruled by those only seeking their power and glory and thus be corrupt. The real question is the ideal mix between corruption and stupidity. If I made any mistakes or flaws with my lines of thought let me know, I am tired. It was really late at night when I wrote this.
One also has to consider the connections that democracy has to freedom.
I dont care about respect with regard to making a convincing case.
It's a matter of respecting other people's opinions without ridicule.
People have all sorts of crazy ideas and beliefs, it's no reason to start personal insults.
You may think i over-reacted; that's your opinion. I know people who if you said, "quack, quack", to their face you are likely to end up in hospital.
It's a matter of respecting other people's opinions without ridicule.
People have all sorts of crazy ideas and beliefs, it's no reason to start personal insults.
You may think i over-reacted; that's your opinion. I know people who if you said, "quack, quack", to their face you are likely to end up in hospital.
I don't have to respect other people's ideas, and if I think that those ideas are bad I have no problem with making negative comments. Not only that but Griff didn't start off with personal insults, he only quoted a noted idiom in regards to my negative comment and you got angry. Dude, you overreacted, no question in my mind about it. Just because some people are bigger f**ktards about this than you are doesn't mean that you still didn't overreact.
It's a matter of respecting other people's opinions without ridicule.
People have all sorts of crazy ideas and beliefs, it's no reason to start personal insults.
You may think i over-reacted; that's your opinion. I know people who if you said, "quack, quack", to their face you are likely to end up in hospital.
I don't have to respect other people's ideas, and if I think that those ideas are bad I have no problem with making negative comments. Not only that but Griff didn't start off with personal insults, he only quoted a noted idiom in regards to my negative comment and you got angry. Dude, you overreacted, no question in my mind about it. Just because some people are bigger f**** about this than you are doesn't mean that you still didn't overreact.
I have no problems with negative comments.
Griff started with the personal insult. You may call it an idiom, i call it an insult.
How i react to insults is my business.
You are not the chief judge of over-reaction or anything else for that matter; it's merely your opinion.
Communists a danger to freedom? What have you been inhaling? True communists would only take away economic freedoms in a sense. But when the market is less free, by extension the people are more free. You americans have it wrong, communism maybe inefficient but it is not anti-freedom. It is more pro-freedom than half your ideologies. Socialism (if moderate), is the best form of government. By taking away rights you are worse than those you have taken rights away from them. NAMBLA is harmless, just dont vote for them.
Griff started with the personal insult. You may call it an idiom, i call it an insult.
How i react to insults is my business.
You are not the chief judge of over-reaction or anything else for that matter; it's merely your opinion.
He said looks like a duck and quacks like one. It is merely an idiom used to explain a reason to accuse one of that behavior. I do not see how that is really deeply offensive nor do I consider it on any level to be a personal insult.
Ok, yes, and I am expressing my opinion that such was a pretty stupid idea and one that I do not see the rationale for reacting in this manner to. How you react to "insults" is your choice, however, that does not mean I have no right to speak on your issues.
Yes, they are a danger to freedom. No, when the market is more free then the people are more free to make their own choices based upon their own values to promote their own ends, without any 3rd parties determining what those choices should be. The very inefficiencies of communism force it to either be non-working or repressive. The relationship of freedom to communism really depends on what view you have of the communist state. Socialism is an economic structure, and the only meaning I can derive from "moderate", is that you mean a mixed economy which means that market elements will play an integral role in that structure. By taking away rights from them, you set bad precedent, saying better or worse asserts a moral rule which may not be viewed as universally true(yes, AG is back!). NAMBLA is quite harmless though and I will agree with that.
So what ?
I could not care less about your opinion.
If you have a problem with my over-reacting, then go see a mod.
Or you can keep quacking like a duck on this thread.
(I've only read the first post)
Freedom should only be allowed if it doesn't form a threat to freedom later on.
Parties like NASDP used the existing freedom to take over and regulate that freedom.
In order to counter this, you must have freedom within certain (for people) logic boundaries.
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