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Awesomelyglorious
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12 Apr 2007, 11:03 pm

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It was in his self interest to start the flame war moron (in case your too dumb to figure it out I was being sarcastic).

I suppose he perceived it as his self-interest, however, that still doesn't mean that I do not view it as unwarranted in this case. The reason being that I am assuming that he is wanting some respect, as respect will help him make a convincing case. The flame war loses my respect, which means that he may in this case have miscalculated his interests. It is similarly true that he may perceive that being banned may do him a favor as he states. I might tend more towards the miscalculation argument though given that he didn't go in seeking a flame war but rather got caught in one for misconstruing some statements.



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12 Apr 2007, 11:48 pm

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He didn't really do much. The whole war thing started off because you overreacted. Griff really started off with an innocent comment and then gave a little bit of advice. You got super-pissed off and just went "ROAR!! !". This isn't to say that Griff is exactly the kindest of posters, but the flame war was definitely unwarranted.
I can be abrasive.



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13 Apr 2007, 2:49 am

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I can be abrasive.

There we go. Good word. Sometimes the good words don't come to mind.



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13 Apr 2007, 2:54 am

People = stupid

Democracy = Governement by people = stupid

Get the picture?


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13 Apr 2007, 3:30 am

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People = stupid

Democracy = Governement by people = stupid

Get the picture?

Well, if we argue this line of thinking then we can essentially lead to the point that all governments are stupid or corrupted. Governments without responsibility to their people will not take into account the benefits of those groups in most instance and be ruled by those only seeking their power and glory and thus be corrupt. The real question is the ideal mix between corruption and stupidity. If I made any mistakes or flaws with my lines of thought let me know, I am tired. It was really late at night when I wrote this.

One also has to consider the connections that democracy has to freedom.



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13 Apr 2007, 4:24 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I am assuming that he is wanting some respect, as respect will help him make a convincing case. The flame war loses my respect, which means that he may in this case have miscalculated his interests. It is similarly true that he may perceive that being banned may do him a favor as he states.


I dont care about respect with regard to making a convincing case.
It's a matter of respecting other people's opinions without ridicule.
People have all sorts of crazy ideas and beliefs, it's no reason to start personal insults.
You may think i over-reacted; that's your opinion. I know people who if you said, "quack, quack", to their face you are likely to end up in hospital.



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13 Apr 2007, 7:11 am

Kosmonaut wrote:
I dont care about respect with regard to making a convincing case.
It's a matter of respecting other people's opinions without ridicule.
People have all sorts of crazy ideas and beliefs, it's no reason to start personal insults.
You may think i over-reacted; that's your opinion. I know people who if you said, "quack, quack", to their face you are likely to end up in hospital.

I don't have to respect other people's ideas, and if I think that those ideas are bad I have no problem with making negative comments. Not only that but Griff didn't start off with personal insults, he only quoted a noted idiom in regards to my negative comment and you got angry. Dude, you overreacted, no question in my mind about it. Just because some people are bigger f**ktards about this than you are doesn't mean that you still didn't overreact.



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13 Apr 2007, 8:38 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Kosmonaut wrote:
I dont care about respect with regard to making a convincing case.
It's a matter of respecting other people's opinions without ridicule.
People have all sorts of crazy ideas and beliefs, it's no reason to start personal insults.
You may think i over-reacted; that's your opinion. I know people who if you said, "quack, quack", to their face you are likely to end up in hospital.

I don't have to respect other people's ideas, and if I think that those ideas are bad I have no problem with making negative comments. Not only that but Griff didn't start off with personal insults, he only quoted a noted idiom in regards to my negative comment and you got angry. Dude, you overreacted, no question in my mind about it. Just because some people are bigger f**** about this than you are doesn't mean that you still didn't overreact.


I have no problems with negative comments.
Griff started with the personal insult. You may call it an idiom, i call it an insult.
How i react to insults is my business.
You are not the chief judge of over-reaction or anything else for that matter; it's merely your opinion.



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13 Apr 2007, 10:03 am

Communists a danger to freedom? What have you been inhaling? :lol: True communists would only take away economic freedoms in a sense. But when the market is less free, by extension the people are more free. You americans have it wrong, communism maybe inefficient but it is not anti-freedom. It is more pro-freedom than half your ideologies. Socialism (if moderate), is the best form of government. By taking away rights you are worse than those you have taken rights away from them. NAMBLA is harmless, just dont vote for them. :lol:



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13 Apr 2007, 3:22 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
I have no problems with negative comments.
Griff started with the personal insult. You may call it an idiom, i call it an insult.
How i react to insults is my business.
You are not the chief judge of over-reaction or anything else for that matter; it's merely your opinion.

He said looks like a duck and quacks like one. It is merely an idiom used to explain a reason to accuse one of that behavior. I do not see how that is really deeply offensive nor do I consider it on any level to be a personal insult.

Ok, yes, and I am expressing my opinion that such was a pretty stupid idea and one that I do not see the rationale for reacting in this manner to. How you react to "insults" is your choice, however, that does not mean I have no right to speak on your issues.



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13 Apr 2007, 3:28 pm

kt-64 wrote:
Communists a danger to freedom? What have you been inhaling? :lol: True communists would only take away economic freedoms in a sense. But when the market is less free, by extension the people are more free. You americans have it wrong, communism maybe inefficient but it is not anti-freedom. It is more pro-freedom than half your ideologies. Socialism (if moderate), is the best form of government. By taking away rights you are worse than those you have taken rights away from them. NAMBLA is harmless, just dont vote for them. :lol:

Yes, they are a danger to freedom. No, when the market is more free then the people are more free to make their own choices based upon their own values to promote their own ends, without any 3rd parties determining what those choices should be. The very inefficiencies of communism force it to either be non-working or repressive. The relationship of freedom to communism really depends on what view you have of the communist state. Socialism is an economic structure, and the only meaning I can derive from "moderate", is that you mean a mixed economy which means that market elements will play an integral role in that structure. By taking away rights from them, you set bad precedent, saying better or worse asserts a moral rule which may not be viewed as universally true(yes, AG is back!). NAMBLA is quite harmless though and I will agree with that.



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13 Apr 2007, 3:37 pm

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I do not see how that is really deeply offensive nor do I consider it on any level to be a personal insult.


So what ?
I could not care less about your opinion.
If you have a problem with my over-reacting, then go see a mod.
Or you can keep quacking like a duck on this thread.



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13 Apr 2007, 4:00 pm

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So what ?
I could not care less about your opinion.
If you have a problem with my over-reacting, then go see a mod.
Or you can keep quacking like a duck on this thread.

Really, I think that you are the one who quacks like some form of f****d up duck.



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13 Apr 2007, 4:04 pm

LOL
Love you too.
Have a nice evening.



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13 Apr 2007, 4:28 pm

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You may think i over-reacted; that's your opinion. I know people who if you said, "quack, quack", to their face you are likely to end up in hospital.
Man. People in your area must seriously have something against ducks. Can't imagine why. They're kinda cute. I grew up around them.

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Griff started with the personal insult. You may call it an idiom, i call it an insult.
Well, it was a bit cheeky, but I wouldn't call it an insult, per se. It just seemed like an occassion to call to mind the old adage. Perhaps I should have been more sensitive to your feelings. I just didn't realize you had such an issue with ducks.

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How i react to insults is my business.
It's the business of everyone who is affected by it, particularly if it's an exotic reaction to the mention of waterfowl.



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14 Apr 2007, 12:00 pm

(I've only read the first post)
Freedom should only be allowed if it doesn't form a threat to freedom later on.
Parties like NASDP used the existing freedom to take over and regulate that freedom.
In order to counter this, you must have freedom within certain (for people) logic boundaries.