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Which subtype describes you?
Aloof 20%  20%  [ 14 ]
Passive 48%  48%  [ 33 ]
Active but odd 20%  20%  [ 14 ]
Over-formal 12%  12%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 69

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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:01 am

I found this yesterday - looks like it's old news but I'd never seen it before and I thought it might be interesting as a poll. It's 4 subtypes of 'social impairment' in all ASD's, defined by Lorna Wing. (My descriptions are compiled from a few sources.)

I definitely fit in the passive category. Even within each subtype it probably manifests in different ways for different people... for me I'm usually happy to talk to people (not always though :roll: ), the problem is that the idea of interacting or conversing socially just doesn't cross my mind. If the other person initiates, that external cue reminds me that interaction is even an option. I can and do initiate conversation if it's not social - something directly related to the task at hand like a question or sharing information, but unfortunately the idea of talking socially rarely even crosses my mind as a possibility or something that I should be doing. It can be incredibly frustrating because people see that I can talk perfectly well, so when I don't initiate socially their natural conclusion would be that I don't want to talk to them, or that I'm stuck-up or whatever. :( (Sorry for that little monologue, this is just something that's been on my mind quite a bit over the last week or two and these subtypes fit well with it.)

Aloof
-may isolate self
-may become electively mute
-complete withdrawl from social interactions
-behaving as if other people do not exist
-little or no eye contact
-no response when spoken to
-no response to cuddling, may respond to rough-and-tumble play
-only show extreme emotion
-seems to be in their own world
-use people only to get what they want
-show no empathy

Passive
-passively accepts social approaches as long as the other person initiates and keeps it going
-may enjoy social contact but does not initiate it or seek it out
-may or may not make eye contact
-social approaches from people are tolerated as long as they're not sudden/unexpected or intrusive/disruptive
-quiet, easy going, can engage in activities led by others
[my input - could be related to executive dysfunction?]

Active but Odd (their wording, not mine)
-own needs seen as priority, egocentric
-little concept of compromise
-assertive sometimes to the point of being overly aggressive
-poor eye contact, or stare
-initiate verbal interactions, but one-sided monologue on topic of interest

Over-formal, Stilted
-good language ability
-excessively polite and formal
-rule-driven - black and white thinking, no grey areas
-try very hard to stick to the rules of social interaction without really understanding them



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:05 am

Somewhere between aloof and passive I think
What is executive dysfunction?



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:06 am

passive



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:12 am

Definitely passive based on those descriptions.


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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:19 am

Primarily passive, but streaks of the other 3.



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:23 am

Sopho_soph wrote:
What is executive dysfunction?


http://www.thepathwaystolearning.com/Ex ... nction.pdf This is the best link I can find right now, hopefully you'll get the idea from that. Basically it's the idea that we have all the knowledge and ability that we need to do what we want, we just don't have the mental co-ordination to put that knowledge and ability togther to physically do the task. It's been a popular theory lately to explain a lot of autistic and adhd traits. With regards to the passive subtype, I'm thinking it could explain why we don't initiate conversation even though we may enjoy or want it. (Lol, hope I'm making sense. I'm working a graveyard shift - it's 5:20am and my brain's getting pretty fuzzy...)



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:33 am

Rather amusingly I had it in front of me in an ADHD book (T Brown ADD:The Unfocused mind...), but couldn't work out the important bits to write down about it, or how to phrase it :)



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:58 am

A combination of Aloof and Passive, but with a touch of the Formal as well.



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:19 am

Mix of all of them.



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:21 am

depends on my mood for the day.



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:37 am

aloof-passive

but I actually do like people



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:39 am

A mix of Passive and Aloof. About halfway inbetween.

Myself:
-may isolate self
-complete withdrawl from social interactions (On occasion)
-behaving as if other people do not exist (On occasion)
-only show extreme emotion
-seems to be in their own world

-passively accepts social approaches as long as the other person initiates and keeps it going
-may enjoy social contact but does not initiate it or seek it out
-may or may not make eye contact
-social approaches from people are tolerated as long as they're not sudden/unexpected or intrusive/disruptive
-quiet, easy going, can engage in activities led by others
[my input - could be related to executive dysfunction?]



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:42 am

Mostly passive, a little bit formal.


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Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:43 am

A mix of passive/formal, here.



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Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:50 am

neongrl wrote:
Sopho_soph wrote:
What is executive dysfunction?


http://www.thepathwaystolearning.com/Ex ... nction.pdf This is the best link I can find right now, hopefully you'll get the idea from that. Basically it's the idea that we have all the knowledge and ability that we need to do what we want, we just don't have the mental co-ordination to put that knowledge and ability togther to physically do the task. It's been a popular theory lately to explain a lot of autistic and adhd traits. With regards to the passive subtype, I'm thinking it could explain why we don't initiate conversation even though we may enjoy or want it. (Lol, hope I'm making sense. I'm working a graveyard shift - it's 5:20am and my brain's getting pretty fuzzy...)


I always have a problem with people saying AS means you have no mental coordination. When things require several tasks **I** consider complex, it may get a bit muddled, but I CAN do this. HECK, you NEED to be able to do things like this to drive a car, do long multiplication/division, and perhaps even to walk. ESPECIALLY the way I generally walk! I walk in an odd way. I look for the shortest route, even down to walking at an angle with accuracy to the fractions of a degree. I also try to avoid people. So I RARELY walk far with exactly the same route.

Over-formal

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