I Can't Stand NTs!

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Yeah, what inventor said.

NT's get freaked out if they think you want to be their friends (hey, even some Aspies are suspicious of that sort of behaviour) but if you show no interest in them, they seem to think you're some cool person who doesn't need friends, so they want to be friends with you.

It's all screwed up! It's backwards I tells ya! But that's the way it seems to be.

Ironically, now that you've given up trying to be friends with NT's, you'll probably find a few trying to creep into your life. Just don't try to shoo them away and you might have a few NT friends by this time next year.

I suspect that the majority on this forum are in fact NTs. I could be wrong. My suspicion is not based on fact; it is a mere hypothesis without much I can do to test it.

But it is interesting that psychiatrists are throwing around Asperger's diagnosis on children just like they did with ADD/ADHD of the previous generation... I suspect that certain personality types, mainly introverted intuition types, are extremely highly likely to be mistaken for autistics compared to the general population.

I don't think it's the majority, but certainly many.

And I agree that AS is the current diagnosis of choice. Someone doesn't behave the way you want them to? They don't talk to you much? Then they must be autistic. Asperger's, yes, most likely.

I wonder how one would go about figuring out for certain if they are autistic or not but without receiving a formal diagnosis on their medical record or having to shell out money for a therapist?

I have a lot of unanswered questions about myself, and even more brought up by experiences others have shared here and how they compare with my own(I'm currently thinking the liklihood of me being on the autistic spectrum is moreso than not)! It is reasonable to assume that most of those here who have never been diagnosed feel the same way.


I don't understand the categorization of NTs into one distinct type of personality that appears commonplace here. How would someone distinguish an INTJ or INTP neurotypical from a very high-functioning Aspie of a similar personality type, for instance? Aren't there plenty of NTs who shun common societal values due to logical/ethical reasons and don't understand social cues much like an aspie/autistic(but in the case of social cues, perhaps their lack of understanding is due to limited social experiences)? Wouldn't certain personality types(such as the INTJ) be prone to the pedantic speaking style of the aspie and to the thinking style of the aspie even if they're neurotypical? What about extreme cerbral narcissists who never developed emotionally since childhood and what about schizoids who have been schizoid since childhood and never developed social skills; how do you tell the difference between them from those with AS/HFA?

Does this difference relate to instinctively picking up nonverbal language, instinctively understanding metaphor and instictively understanding sarcasm or jokes? And if so, if learning such social cues is not a subconscious process to a person but instead a conscious effort, does that mean they are autistic or aspie?

Is it possible for an aspie or autistic to also be capable of being a pathological liar or a very successful thief or a cunning sociopathic manipulator of others? How about aspies/auties that are overly concerned about their appearance and impression they present to others; do they exist?

I'm fairly sure there are no clear boundaries and answers, but someone here should have some partial answers to some of these questions.

How can a person really tell if they are an aspie/autie or something else, and state so with confidence and honesty, whether diagnosed or not? How does a person tell if they have been misdiagnosed as being aspie/autie as well?




All questions to ponder as I study this subject even more in depth, trying to make sense of it.

Right now, I don't believe my own diagnosis 100% and I wouldn't believe any "AS specialist's" diagnosis either. I don't think anyone, me or specialist, knows enough about the how and why my brain functions. "

I think AS is right now an umbrella diagnosis for many traits that don't fit the usual behavior and can't be explained otherwise with today's knowledge. Just like "you have a virus" when you go to the doctor's and they won't research into what you have.

It is obvious that my brain doesn't function like the rest of the people around me (and I've lived in different cultures), and it is obvious that the problems I have I only heard others having them here on WP, but it still doesn't mean there's a specific neurodiversity called AS. (See my thread about common traits, there is no 2 people who agree on any common trait there).

I think this is why it's hard to find like minded souls in other aspies - it's too broad a generalization for us to have enough in common with others diagnosed with the same.

First of all, nirrti, you're supposed to be a moderator on this forum. You're held at a high standard because it's up to you to demonstrate how to behave. By generalizing and saying you can't stand all NT's because of one guy brushing you off, you defeat the purpose of this sight. This sight is to educate people about asperger's syndrome, and promote *tollerance*.

Now as to your problem, all I can say is that he's a college boy, they're notoriously flacky. Don't take it personaly, it happens to the best of us.

Is it?

A similar thing happened to me recently. I've learned that Inventor has it right! The logical thing to do when you want to make a friend is to try to get together with them, be nice to them, etc. But in the social game, you have to play it cool.

I think this is especially true with girl-guy friendships. Like Unknown_Quantity said, you were pursuing him so much, he probably thought you had a crush on him, and if he didn't have a crush on you, he freaked out and avoided you more than ever.

Don't waste your time on somebody who doesn't appreciate you. I'm sure you'll find people you are more compatible with to befriend.

Um, first of all, I am not a moderator. I used to be a while back but quit. I don't know why Alex hasn't taken that "mod" tag off my profile (Alex, are you listening?) and I do not intend to be a "model" for what people are supposed to be like. Heck, I can barely manage my own life. How can I be an example for others?

Second, this is not just because of one experience, let's get that straight. This has been happening all my life and not just with strangers but with rejection from my father, step-mother, step-father, mother, other members of my family, co-workers, classmates, potential employers, other authority figures...you name it...because I wasn't what they wanted me to be. I'm sick and tired of being rejected, disowned, bullied and everything else for being me and hating myself for not being some arbitrary version of what others want out of people.

I'm out here working my arse off trying to get my teacher's license just so just maybe I can have a real chance at gainful employment and have protection against getting fired or laid-off on a whim. I'll be 33 years old next week, that's thirty-three years of this mess I've been through. I don't have any fight in me left anymore. I'm beyond frustrated right now and I'm at the point at saying, "the heck with it" as far as relationships because I only have so much energy to divide between school, work and survival. I'm sorry for offending any NTs here. It's just that I don't know what the heck to do anymore.

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They only want what they can't have, or they only want it if they think someone else wants it. or something like that.

I think it's hysterical that Goche is correcting you for generalizing and then does what? Generalize about "college boys".

I think the point to this particular event is that you shouldn't push yourself on a person. Like my example I gave about inviting people out and then waiting for them to follow up. Persisting after someone comes off as agressive and prying. The guy might have had all the best intentions but became startled by your approach.

Well Nirrti: If that's the way he feels, the hell with him. Simply don't have anything more to do with him.

I can relate to what you're saying. 100%

Some people just aren't what you think they are. People you trust will stab you in the back.

But I genuinely feel sorry for some. I guess sometimes we forget that, though some may look stronger on the outside, they may have trouble coping with their problems as well.

I can't stand aspies.

I said college boys are notorious for that behavior. ((meaning I didn't say if it was true or false, just they have a reputation for it.)) I didn't say all did it, nor did I say that they're all biggots and need to be avoided. There is a huge difference.

I'm sick of people acting like aspies are all this or NT's are all that. I'm an NT, and I never picked on anyone, nor would I ever do this to someone.

lastly I appologise nirrti, I saw the tag and assumed you were still an acting mod. I hope it's all sorted out soon ^^