Does our society encourage abusive behaviours in women?

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That woman sounds like she is all talk and no brains tbh.

Like someone already said, if a woman hits you like a girl, any decent man would not hit her back, but stop her mid hit. If a woman hits you like a man, he should be obliged to hit back.

Might I add: if Anyone hits me hard enough and in a place that could cause injury I AM going to strike back even harder!
It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me what the sex of the person attacking me is .

All people are abusive. Our society is driving us insane. We are like domesticated rats trapped in sardine-tin cages in a clinical, perpetually lit laboratory, constantly surveyed and unable to escape from one another. We are kept entertained, but our natural instincts are suppressed and subverted, driving us slowly in on ourselves in a fit of self-destructive rage.

Might I add: if Anyone hits me hard enough and in a place that could cause injury I AM going to strike back even harder!
It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me what the sex of the person attacking me is .

I guess violent female characters in media is... a backlash or something against the damsel in distress etc. But yeah, I find it annoying that a female character who acts like a b***h is supposed to be strong.

I dont like the trend of women belittling men any better than if it were a man belittling a woman. If a woman is going to hit, then there should at least be defense on the male side. If you dish it, you better be willing to take it. These types of girls are not doing feminism any favors when they resort to bullying a boyfriend. They are perpetuating the 'b***h' mentality. Husbands and boyfriends get tired of dealing with that sh#@. It gets really old, REALLY quick. Would you want to be with someone who treats you like a piece of crap, and is supposed to LIKE you? Mixed signals here much? Stay away from those types... they are destined to be miserable and/or alone with that attitude.

It isn't just women. Everyone is encouraged to be aggressive toward everyone else. If you walk over someone else, you're strong and admired. Otherwise you're weak and despised. The most aggressive are put on pedestals until their actions are deemed illegal or otherwise unacceptable. The Enron bosses were lionized until the scandal broke. The most recent economic bombs came from ultra aggressive credit card and home loan marketing with huge bonuses and honors to the top sellers. Now top execs at Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, UBS and CIBC were fired. This forum and many others are full of stories of abusive bosses and the employees they ran off. Those bosses are abusive because their top management demands and rewards it.

Los Angeles police have a siege mentality stemming from the 1950's. It used to be considered the right way for police to operate. Not since the Rodney King beating. Cops used to routinely collect bribes from local small-time crooks in some cities. Now it's grounds for prosecution.

We love the bad-ass boys and girls in our tv shows and movies. The penultimate American hero is the rule-breaker who blows off incompetent authority and saves the day through sheer personal power and knowing better than everybody else. Look at "The Last Action Hero". Okay, mea culpa from a Chuck Norris fan.

When I was growing up, rule-breakers in games were kicked out or otherwise penalized. These days the rule-breakers get multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts with merchandising deals and all the honors society can muster. Until something they do (like doping) suddenly falls out of favor. Even if cheaters are fined and dishonored, the people who played fair and lost don't get back what was taken unfairly. People who follow the rules and try to build based on mutual cooperation are sneered at, taken advantage of and called f**king fools. Honor has left the building.

When you're stronger than someone else it can seem easier to beat them into submission than to talk them into cooperation. And our society does love the fast, easy answer doesn't it? Problem is, the beaten won't do as much or try as hard as the respected. But that's okay as long as the work of the beaten is "good enough for now". That makes it cost-effective on the General Ledger and the best route to advancement and rewards. As an Aspie on another forum observed, the rule now is "burn 'em and turn 'em".

Don't forget that women have been mostly second-class citizens for over five thousand years. Women in the U.S. who went to college were "encouraged" to major in Home Economics so they could marry well and be good wives. Women who did otherwise had to work harder than their male classmates and endure their professors' hostility. And if the husband was abusive, so what? Marriage is for better or for worse. She was expected to keep a rolling pin or cast-iron skillet handy if she objected. Look at the old "Andy Capp" comics, for example. Unless bones were broken or blood was gushing the police let it go. Then a battered wife sued a nonresponsive police department and won. I think that was less than 40 years ago. Now cops assume the man is the aggressor so the department won't get sued. Besides, it's an easy assumption. Of course, some women use that to dominate their husbands. Assholery favors neither gender.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant. I think I kept some stuff to myself too long.

Yes women are f*****g powerless POWERLESS I TELL YOU

until you see the other side of me

jiggeryqua, this is your last warning. I find you posting in the Women's forum again, I'll ban you.

Last warning? There hasn't been a first. You did appear once to ask why I was here (though you didn't ask other men who were also here, nor did you answer whether you were a man, though I'm guessing you are, 'MrMark' - how very patronising of you, by the way, to imagine that the women of the forum need a male moderator to protect them...do you honestly view women as weak and feeble and endangered by the truth?)

I'll point out (again) that one of the women here had invited me to stay. None of the women so far have asked me to leave. No-one has offered any justification for this apartheid forum (although I note again that other men have posted here without your 'warnings'). I did just look at the main listings - I see this section is described as somewhere where women can 'feel safe' to 'be themselves'. Have you considered moderating the entire forum in such a way that anyone can feel safe to be themselves? Do you offer men a forum where I can post obvious truths that counter the ignorant bigotry that passes as feminism for some posters?

I will say again, I post in topics that interest me - I rarely take notice of which section they've been posted in. I took particular interest in this topic because I've encountered violently and socially abusive women in various places, often supported by well-meaning (but ultimately deluded) males like you. I have only just become aware that this thread is in the women's forum - before your 'warning', I grant you, but after you neglected to offer any rational response to your last communication with me (see above) - I thought perhaps, since you had nothing to say, that you'd seen quite how foolish you were being.

Yes, I know, calling you foolish won't help - but you're going to ban me anyway, for telling the truth to people who've swallowed a bigoted lie. I don't think that's competent moderation, I don't think it's civilised, progressive, honest, decent or in any sense a positive move. I think you're defending the right of women to be 'themselves' - which seems to mean, for you, the right to perpetuate a supremacist, separatist vision. It may come as a surpise, MrMark, but women are individuals too. Nobody, however, has the individual right to bigotry, nor do women have a collective right to it.

Bless you, MrMark - you must do whatever you think is right, however wrong it might be.

PS Am I allowed to read what the women type, and then tut, sigh, shake my head and throw my hands up in despair, so long as I don't actually post here? Would you have a problem with my cutting and pasting some of the more deluded bigotry and exposing it on a thread outside the women's forum? I think it's as well to ask, since apparantly first warnings are also last warnings and you sound very butch and fierce and whatnot, so I'll be wary of doing anything at all in case it provokes your masculine anger again...

What am I saying? That's two more posts in the women's forum, so I'm banned anyway...