When did you convert to your political ideology????

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15 Oct 2005, 11:50 am

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I moderated my views later when I came to understand that the people in the communist countries were basically slaves, and that is was the leaders and their enforcers that were evil.


The Soviet countries Sean. I wish you woodnt call them Communists


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15 Oct 2005, 2:49 pm

Why were they known as the Communist Block countries then?



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15 Oct 2005, 2:54 pm

They were known as the Soviet Bloc, sometimes the Eastern Bloc, actually. :P


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19 Oct 2005, 10:25 pm

Also known as Soviet Satellites (East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, sometimes also Albania, and Yugoslavia) of the Eastern or Soviet Bloc.



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27 Oct 2005, 1:55 pm

Getting back to the original question of when did you convert to your political ideology i can say i didnt convert to it, I just realised i was rather more of a lefty than most people a few years ago. I blame my mother, as i couldnt have 'caught' it from my father. However i may change ideologies as i age. supposedly people grow steadily more right-wing as they age



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27 Oct 2005, 3:31 pm

my parent are quite left, i grew up in the Kohl era in which the rich becamer richer and poor became poorer.
and even before the unification of germany i was a supporter of the green party.
at the last vote i made my cross at the socialists, and now we get a social-democrat and conservative government. imagine that in the US!! :D



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30 Oct 2005, 5:51 am

im still struggling to imagine any form of social-democrat from the US, let alone a Social-Democrat party in government (or at least sharing power)



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15 Nov 2005, 3:52 pm

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Why were they known as the Communist Block countries then?


They were called communist becos the Soviet Union was originally set up by Lenin's Bolsheviks with the intent of CREATING communism. However, Lenin died before that goal was achieved, and when Stalin took over, he had his own agenda... He kept the communist label becos otherwise there wood have been another revolt.


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15 Nov 2005, 5:26 pm

I think you'll find that Lenin didnt have the slightest intention of setting up genuine communism. It is remarkable that this myth that Lenin was some good guy has survived from the Soviet Union's propaganda. Lenin was not by any stretch of the imagination a good guy. In all likelihood had he lived longer, this myth would not exist and we would in fact be trying to establish whether he or Stalin was the worst of all the 'communist' leaders.



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15 Nov 2005, 6:57 pm

I became intrested in politics at a early age. My family is very conservitive over all, so discussing politics can get heated if you disagree with anyone. I am very conservitive on somethings, and liberal on others. I vote republican because I am more conservitive in economic issues, but the religious issues I find my self to be more liberal. I dont vote with religion in mind for the most part. I feel that the "freedom of religion" means that's ANY religion as well as NO religion if thats what suits you. And I also think that the seperation of church and state is important, but it shoulnt mean that we forcefully exclude any one group from public displays at perscribed holidays. I guess im saying, I dont want to be judged in a court of law on religious background, but I also dont want someone to tell me that my christmas tree, or menoria, or yule deocrations or what ever are offfensive.
perhaps the best policy there is tollerance of all religions so long the display is in the relm of what is desent. But too often the nature of religion is no tollerance of the others. And that underlines the seperation of church and state debate for me.
(I hope that wasnt too off topic or too hard to follow) :wink:



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16 Nov 2005, 4:30 pm

2 things - it shoud be obvius that separation of the church and state, is the best policy, and toleration of all religions is a given. The second point is that this thred isnt actaully about religion :P


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16 Nov 2005, 10:16 pm

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2 things - it shoud be obvius that separation of the church and state, is the best policy, and toleration of all religions is a given. The second point is that this thred isnt actaully about religion :P


True, but in the south where I live, the two often are thought to be one in the same! I must admit, I often forget other parts of the world make the destinction easier than the Bible belt! :wink:



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18 Nov 2005, 9:00 am

Ladysmokeater wrote:
Assassin wrote:
2 things - it shoud be obvius that separation of the church and state, is the best policy, and toleration of all religions is a given. The second point is that this thred isnt actaully about religion :P


True, but in the south where I live, the two often are thought to be one in the same! I must admit, I often forget other parts of the world make the destinction easier than the Bible belt! :wink:


the distinction... between church and state?


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18 Nov 2005, 7:14 pm

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the distinction... between church and state?

*sigh* yes. Depending on what religious group you belong to down here, depends on if there is supposed to be a difference. My father feels that there should be no seperation, that all government matters should reflect christian values first and formost. He is not the only one that feels that way, most have a stronger opinion than that.
There is even a group called the Christian Exodas (spelled wrong I know) that on their website they call followers to MOVE to South Carolina in an effort to create a Christian state. They wish to alter the vote with their people moving here and if needed, to , and I kid you not, leave the union. From what I understand these folks are real, and their number is growing.
So you see, the distinction IS blured here. If roaming off topic was a problem, I apologize.



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19 Nov 2005, 5:11 am

Ladysmokeater wrote:
Assassin wrote:
the distinction... between church and state?

*sigh* yes. Depending on what religious group you belong to down here, depends on if there is supposed to be a difference. My father feels that there should be no seperation, that all government matters should reflect christian values first and formost. He is not the only one that feels that way, most have a stronger opinion than that.
There is even a group called the Christian Exodas (spelled wrong I know) that on their website they call followers to MOVE to South Carolina in an effort to create a Christian state. They wish to alter the vote with their people moving here and if needed, to , and I kid you not, leave the union. From what I understand these folks are real, and their number is growing.
So you see, the distinction IS blured here. If roaming off topic was a problem, I apologize.
Yeah the Old South is like that isn't I lived in Florida as a child but still can remember alot of what You are saying.


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19 Nov 2005, 4:30 pm

Until six months ago i was a staunch left wing. But the modern day substitutes for left wing 'progressive' politics have disaffetced me.

It is probably closest to the truth to me to say that I am a left wing by nature...I believe people can only live meaningful lives with a proper state in place, and that the inequality arising from capitalism destroys social justice and leads people to the conclusion that they are important.

ASnd that last line might give you an implicit clue to this disclosure: I do have some right wing tendencies. I think people in themselves are unimportant, to the extent that everyone has a role to play in creating a strong, healthy state where there is one definite ruling power. This state should be the raison d'etre; I want to ensure it is the most important thing in people's lives, as opposed to meaningless self-money powered advancement.

Getting rich, entirely self obsessed and on your own stupid lifestyle is the downward spiral.