Is there such thing as 'mild' Aspergers?

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28 Apr 2008, 1:27 pm

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What is the difference then between mild Aspergers and PDD NOS and which are you most likely to be diagnosed with or are they totally different things?


Mild AS is how less effected you are by it. You appear normal and people wouldn't even guess you have it. But it still limits you, you still struggle in social skills, get bullied in school, still have troubles fitting in, might not like changes, you can still have sensory issues and have anxiety and OCD. I have been wondering the milder it is, the easier you can learn to cope with it so it seems like the condition goes away a lot quicker in your adult hood because you learned how to adapt. Very few have actually outgrown it by the time they are in their late teens.


PDD-NOS is when someone doesn't meet the criteria for AS, nor autism so they get labeled with PDD. They show aspie and autie signs but they don't meet either criteria. I'd say it's between AS and autism. I should have been diagnosed with that instead but I didn't. I think I was given the AS label so my parents could use it to stop my school from putting me in a class with violent kids. With a PDD-NOS label, it probably would have given the school the power to win.

But lot of doctors don't follow the criteria it seems like. They go by how you are functioning at now. My shrink told me my mother worked with me so I was developmental delayed till about age five and then I developed normal and my speech wasn't delayed anymore so it brought me to the Asperger's level. I have heard temple Grandin was labeled with AS in her adulthood. She had autism when she was a kid.



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28 Apr 2008, 1:44 pm

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three can be applied to Asperger's.

Atypical Autism
Mixed Atypical Autism and Atypical Asperger's (a bit of both in other words)
Comorbid Autism: a person with an unrelated neurological disorder who so happens to have some autistic features
Residual Autism: Children who had Autistic Disorder, but they improved naturally as they developed


I've never heard of mixed atypical autism and Aspergers as one diagnosis. However if the diagnosis above are correct then I have residual autism because I was autistc as a child as in non-verbal though as an adult I was given Aspergers diagnosis.



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28 Apr 2008, 5:18 pm

Woo hoo, 4 pages of replies. It's a record. 8)

This is weird - a lot of you guys who have replied to this thread say that you have mild AS. I have no idea where I would fit in the 'AS Spectrum' because in fact the only thing that really gives me away is my total social ineptness. It's anything but mild, but if that problem alone was taken away, I probably would be labelled as 'mild.'

I've overcome a lot of AS traits since my childhood, such as needing a completely rigid routine, ordering and arranging things and getting angry if they get moved and incessantly monologuing to people about my interests. I just seemed to grow out of those naturally, without consciously thinking about it. My social ineptness, however, remains. Mild? I don't know, you'd have to come over and visit me and see for yourself.

Thanks for all the info about the PDD-NOS diagnoses and Atypical Aspergers. You learn something new every day. :)

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28 Apr 2008, 5:39 pm

At the very beginning, I thought I was 'mild'. As according to the professionals I'm 'utmost hf'. I also considered grave social issues my only trouble.

I was entirely off by this. And I didn't/still don't entirely know what is considered average and 'normal'. I thought I was almost entirely 'normal' though hehe.

What I mean to say, even when routines are barely noticeable - it does not necessarily mean they are almost non-existent. It took me a lot of time to get an idea of what routines I follow.

I also first thought I have no 'motor mannerism/repetitive movements' whatsoever. I watched videos of autistic children that were supposed to 'stim' and I saw nothing that looked 'odd' (like people sometimes describe stims). I was thinking: hey, I do all this in this and this situations. It's perfectly normal. Where's the stim?

And funny enough, I am, as validated by many people, a very self-reflective and observant person. I just grew up so off the scale that I do not know what all kinds of 'normal' are.

I assume my experience is perfectly possible for people that do indeed have it mildly. Especially by not knowing what other people do behind closed doors I imagine that most people autistic or not, won't know what these other people do. Unless one does it unknowingly as well.

But if one does something different, they may never know that what they do is different.

Not saying this is the case for you Hodor, it may or may not. But I definitely wanted to explain this.


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28 Apr 2008, 6:25 pm

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I've red people with asperger actually thinks they are 'milder'' than they really are.


I sometimes wonder if I should get a diagnosis just for THAT, to get an "expert" opinion of where I "really" am! Of course, the problem is finding an expert and him/her seeing EVERYTHING. Some people have thought I was wierd, etc... On the other hand, I asked a person a few days ago if I seemed strange. She said she thought I was fine and normal. Of course, SHE seems a little off, and she thinks I overreact at some noise, etc.... In a way, she HAS declared me different overall.

Still, I have gotten pretty selfconscious about a lot of things.



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29 Apr 2008, 3:43 am

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However if the diagnosis above are correct then I have residual autism because I was autistc as a child as in non-verbal though as an adult I was given Aspergers diagnosis.


If one had autism when younger, one can progress to a level of AS due to a better verbal ability and perhaps less repetitive behaviors; more "normal" repetitive behaviors anyway. This is due to natural development (it's common for people with autism to improve throughout childhood and adolescence; it's also common for some who have improved to actually go back at the onset of adolescence to how they were before the improvement). It all depends on what criteria you fit now, whether AS, autism, or PDD-NOS. There's probably not much between Residual Autism and Asperger's.

I guess "mild" Asperger's is kinda like "mild" Autistic Disorder in comparison to run-of-the-mill Autistic Disorder; severely impaired compared to normal people, just not as severe as many with the disorder.

I have a question, what does "severe" Asperger's look like? Perhaps it and "mild" Autistic Disorder share that dead space which bridges the gap between AS and AD.



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29 Apr 2008, 8:33 am

Wow yea 4 pages of response eh!! !

Ill keep it going.....


Well they say I got Mild aspergers.......

I dont like the word mild...

I would prefer to have the full blown thing.... eh ahah what are some good asosciations...??
I spose mild curry or hot curry.. I prefer hot but yea.. thats me... not a great asosciation eh.. I did come up with somebetter ones but its late... I may have posted before but anyway...

I reckon its a continum like... :)
All effected differently...

THIS should be a sticky because is a common question!! ! Many think well am i mild or have it.. do i need diagnosis why etc... what does mild mean etc... is there such thing as mild.. many questiond..
STICKY IT... :)


"If one had autism when younger, one can progress to a level of AS due to a better verbal ability and perhaps less repetitive behaviors; more "normal" repetitive behaviors anyway. This is due to natural development (it's common for people with autism to improve throughout childhood and adolescence; it's also common for some who have improved to actually go back at the onset of adolescence to how they were before the improvement). "

Nice quote bro!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !

Yea Tony attwood said it is a "developmental disorder" turning into eccentricity when older.. eg simply being weird/alternative... Hmmm I agree... BUT... I dunno I guess A lot of us have linked disorders ADD OCD anxiety etc.. is it those which are the dehabiliating ones.. and the aspergers wears out after time??
Or are all those labels under one of aspergers.. Because apparently ADD symptons OCD anxiety etc all related to aspergers as well.. so its interesting isnt it haha...

Attwood said that early on.. maybe hes changed now.. Cos I guess aspergers does change you... especially if you know what anxiety means then you have anxiety..
Like another thread here "call a man a criminal and he starts to act like one"
Like the title of that... Believe in it..

SAME with aspergers if you believe you are suffering you will.. If you believe you are succedding you will
If you think you are doing what you do because of your aspergers you'll no doubt continue doing it...

mm.. thats a wrap


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29 Apr 2008, 9:31 am

Can one with mild aspergers in childhood turns to a severe aspergers in adolescence?



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29 Apr 2008, 2:57 pm

It's called the "Broader Autistic Phenotype," or BAP. It refers to people who have various autistic traits but do not meet the criteria for an actual diagnosis.


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29 Apr 2008, 5:07 pm

I appear to be mild, i have had relatioships in the past but struggle to maintain them as i can't deal with the demands and what is expected of me, sometimes i don't even realise that a female is interested in me as i tend to relax and forget why I was talking to them in the first place!



29 Apr 2008, 7:52 pm

I'm guessing severe AS looks like the boy in Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nightime.



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29 Apr 2008, 10:21 pm

Christopher in "Curious Incident" doesn't have AS. He is an autistic savant, which is fairly different.



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29 Apr 2008, 10:22 pm

themonkey wrote:
Can one with mild aspergers in childhood turns to a severe aspergers in adolescence?


It's probably entirely possible if something really disturbing happened to the individual like some extreme trauma or injury it might cause regression.



29 Apr 2008, 11:25 pm

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Christopher in "Curious Incident" doesn't have AS. He is an autistic savant, which is fairly different.



He was supposed to have AS. I just found that out because someone posted an article about the author and he says the character has AS.



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02 Oct 2008, 8:25 pm

“Mild” as in a continuum of characteristics, yes (my AS dx is still a matter of contentious debate).
“Mild” in the sense that most people don’t notice, also yes.

I think this especially true if you’re female: people are less likely to expect you to have it. If you’re female, you tend to stand out more if you’re by yourself (as this is unexpected), so people can rush over to ask if you’re all right. Hence they initiate the conversation so you don't have to. Hence, you might find yourself surrounded by protective, concerned females as a result of this. They act as camoflage.

I used to be a lot worse than I am now. I used to have severe difficulty with conversation and responding appropriately to people. As I’ve matured, I’ve gained more self-control. I still have issues initiating conversation, loneliness and group work though. I socialise in a non-textbook way (I don’t associate with one clique only, I drift around a lot alone). People say I often look “lost”. I was told that I knew “everyone and no-one” and was told paradoxically “you might support on socialising, but you don’t because you see everyone”. Seeing people/hanging on the edge of a group looking nervous does not always equal satisfying/supportive relationship. They could tell something was awry/complained about eye contact/inability to chat, but they didn’t have a name for it.

I think a lot of the repetitive behaviour was trained out of me/been converted into more academically “relevant” behaviours. I think I’ve been incredible fortunate in this respect. It was a painful process though.

I had to learn to make my special fixations academic subjects in order to be accepted in a school environment. I think it is possible (with practice and guidance) to adapt some quirks so that they socially appropriate/useful. An arcane monologue (with hard work) could be converted into an essay/presentation. Memory and recall skills could be used for tests/poetry/theatrical play recitation. Attention to detail has applications in Science and Maths. Eccentric ideas could be used in English Creative writing as “unusual imagery”, Design and Art.

Does this mean you’re a different person on the inside? No. You’ve just adapted to the environment/learned to cope better over the years. I had to learn to do this to survive and get good grades/make friends by helping people. A generally supportive/friendly/understanding school/business ethos really helps too. The smaller the better, I’ve found = less social variables.

Also, if you were to meet someone enthusiastic at work who’s special interest is their job, any issues might be harder to detect at first.

Severe social/sensory stressors could trigger hidden behaviours/upset though.

All it needs is one extraordinarily empathetic person with almost psychic powers to march up to you and see through your difficulties with disturbing accuracy. This person can somehow see and understand that you’ll be unsettled by a loud spontaneous night out/party when no-one’s booked the restaurant/got tickets for the entertainment yet. Sadly, such emotionally intelligent people are very rare.



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02 Oct 2008, 9:41 pm

I am thinking if aspergers were a spectrum then it would be less perplexing when interracting with other aspies.

Then again you do have to have a number of traits to determine if you have aspergers. Alot of people seem to have a little hint of autism.

Having a little hint does not make someone autistic.