Iran Arrests Suspected Converts to Christianity

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You asked about Christians, Jews, and Hindus. As far as Muslims are concerned, the Baha'i faith, as the Ahmadiya sect, are heretic offshoots of Islam. I'm surprised that Iran and Egypt are the only Muslim countries that haven't recognised the faith.



Yes, that's because they have a habit of proselytizing too much. It's annoying.



And who exactly is responsible for disturbing the peace? We all know too well.



Public display is illegal. It's not illegal for private use.



Well, he specifically went to the KSA only to hold mass with his fellow Christians. We all know only too well of the KSA's intolerance. Yes, it's not freedom, but the KSA has just too many restrictive laws. The KSA shows more intolerance towards the Shi'a. Christian expats find it easier to gain employment in the KSA than the Shi'a. Iirc, over half of the unemployed in the KSA are Shi'a.



Huh? Bahrain has a Shi'a majority. o.o



There's no difference between the USA and the UAE, IMO. The UAE is an Americanised Arab state. Dubai is the drug & prostitute capital of the middle east. The UAE changes every day. Now it's legal for residents to sue taxi drivers! The UAE has the fastest development in the middle east when it comes to human rights.




Mob violence is common everywhere in South Asia. Bangladesh is no exception.



Again, mob violence.



There's a huge difference when people protest and when the government persecutes.



In what way is that government sanctioned violence?



They're not allowed in some Muslim countries, they're allowed in most. The fact that they haven't been able to acquire a significant number of converts is due to their failure. Outside the gulf states, persecution is rare.



The middle east ain't China.



Yes, I agree it's sad. Again, outside the gulf, persecution is rare. The gulf does not have a high population, the only reason it represents the religious community is due to it being the centre of the faith. Islam is indeed the fastest growing faith in the world, confirmed by the vatican. I don't know about the US, but I do know that an average of 50-100 people convert to Islam per day in the UK.



Yes, I agree with you. However, I pointed out the general tolerance of the American community.



Well, oscuria said that you'll all be mad if you were to parade around naked, and I pointed out that some of you do.



A year ago, if you said the same thing to me, I would have agreed with you, but now my situation has changed. I realised that I need to fear Allah in order to prevent myself from doing sinful things.

kahn: are you from india or maybe have work out there?


just curious because i find views from other parts of the world on international matters to be very interesting just because world politics gets very myopic when it's just the states, canada, and the UK.

I've proven myself to have much more insight than you multiple times. You tend to just spout off rhetoric, while expecting us to find it profound.

Christians would love to return to the power they had during the Dark Ages.

they still have quite a bit of power....i mean there weren't riots or anything over bush's faith based initiatives program that favors christian programs over any other religion. there wasn't more than a shrug over any challenges to having "God" printed on our money (where's my polytheist homies at??). creationism is being taught in many schools. teen pregnancy rates are soaring (thank you christianity condemning the use of condoms!).


sure, they can't burn heretics at the stake anymore nor are they holding open book burnings for the gnostic gospels...but they are by no means impotent.

I agree, and I'm not denying they don't have some power. But, I think we both mean the same thing, though expressed in different words, when we say they don't have overbearing power to the extent they had even only a couple hundred years ago. They still do, of course, have some power.

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I agree on this one ska, people like raggy love to point out "examples" of "anti-christian oppression". Usually theyr just exagerating to feed their own victimology complex, they see themselves as "victims" whenever someone raises resistance to them force-feeding their religion onto secular society. basically 'I'm a victim for not being able to proselytize and victimize others".
There are no doubt real cases of them being discriminated, especially throughout the arab world, but when they go on one of those evangelical tangents trying to force-feed their religion onto others, they loose moral credibility to confront those situations. because they just look like a bunch of dumb hypocrites.
Also raggy, I have a question for you..... Most likely, you believe that "America is a Christian nation" right? Right? Well, the Native Americans were the 1st people here, they worshipped their tribal gods and goddesses. They certainly were not christians. And many tribes lived in peace that thousands of years of Christianity has never accomplished through it's years of bloodshed. So, how is this a "Christian nation" again?

I'm a citizen of India. I was born and brought up here. I belong to the Pathan (Pashtun, Pakhtun) ethnic group, of the Lodi (Lodhi) clan which belongs to the Ghilzai tribe. My clan conquered North India 5 and a half centuries ago, ruling Northern India & parts of northern Pakistan for 75 years. Since then, we've become completely Indianised.

I'm studying B.A. right now in college, and I've taken political science as one of my subjects. I've always found international politics fascinating.



In that case, there's no such thing as a Christian nation. In fact, these are the states that have Christianity as their official religion.

Insightful where? You spout off insults with no facts, just based on emotions.


Why would I want Christians to have power? I'm not Christian, I don't care much about their want in politics.

Khan...my argument was against countries who send money to the west so Mosques get built, Qurans get printed, and to open up Islamic Schools.

How much of this money comes from KSA? Yet, where is there a church in KSA? Where is there a Synagogue? Where is there a temple that isn't islamic? It's pure BS.

The Bahais are considered an offshoot of Islam in Islamic countries which is why they're banned, but why then can't Western countries consider Islam an offshoot of Christianity and ban it equally?

Again, it's bs.



And how can missionaries (non-christian or christian) acquire converts when many Muslim countries ban conversion?

As you can plainly see, I wouldn't be so fast to hurl the accusations next time. You really seem to be quite the hypocrite. I think this line of conversation is over, and won't be responding to anything else pertaining to your accusation of insult hurling.

Human nature does not change drastically over the span of a couple years; if Christians were allowed to, they would bring back burnings of those they deemed as heretics. The common justification of "the ends justify the means", or some variation of it, would probably be employed.

Also, no where in my post did I say you would want Christians in power. If you assume I did, I suggest you read it again, its quite a short post.

1) The people who are anti-Jesus are foolish and intolerant. I have yet met a person who insults Jesus and is not either of the two. How can you consider wise a person who makes it his duty to insult an "imaginary" person?

2) That was my thread. I didn't really care if she was a male or female. The point was to insult the person for creating such a stir about some "terror scarf".

3) And?

4) Yes, because bringing up the Inquisition and the Crusades whenever Christianity is mentioned is justified? In this case we cannot mention Germany without mentioning Nazism, Islam without Jihad and terror, Israel without Zionism and occupation, Africa without famine and aids, America without slavery and atomic bombs, Russia without Communism, and so forth and so forth.



I seem to be quite the hypocrite. Yes, thank you for opening my eyes. Frankly, I am not as interested as pointing out how idiotic you are by referencing a couple of your posts. Considering that I rarely use the language that you do when insulting, I consider my remarks rather tamed compared to yours.

However, thanks for the laugh and at attempting to appear the better of the two of us.

Ragtime: If you are so worried about Iran persecuting Xians why then did you have a poll about witch burning? Sounds like a few strings of hypocrisy, or is it the whole damn orchestra?

The reason the Dark Ages and the Crusades are brought up ad nauseum and ad infinitum whenever you go off on one of your rants is because you lot are the masters of subjugation. Cathars, pagans, Gnostics, Jews (remember Torquemada), Muslims, Buddhists, witches, matter of fact anyone who didn't toe the party line was f****d burned and killed in that order. You may say you allow others religious freedom, but when your government is backed to the hilt by fundamentalists and Jews who want the Muslim threat wiped out, then it seems a bit hypocritical to be whinging about persecution of your own species. Mebbe if you stopped with all the inflammatory arguments, you might not get so much negativity. But then, Karma works in mysterious ways.

Blah blah blah.

Not all practices were peaceful and loving. You people act as if Christians are the only ones who murdered heretics. Even you lovely pagans held sacrifices. You weren't all dancing around naked in a fire chanting some spell.

Sure, but the Christians are still doing it today. They call it the war against terror.

Because having planes fly into buildings is a perfectly acceptable act? As well as bombing embassies.

My, those Islamists sure are fun loving people.

That a bunch of Christians did awful things in the past does not excuse a buch Muslims from doing awful things today. Not that I'm saying that they have an exclusive claim to being awful, but "two wrongs make a right" is not a valid argument. Personally, I despise all religious fanatics equally and think the world would be far happier without them, but the Muslim fanatics seem to be the most aggressively fanatical at the moment. Apologizing for and rationalizing Muslim misdeeds because they were oppressed in the past, or pointing out that other people are doing worse things just doesn't work for me. Yet that seems to be the gist of many posts in this thread, perhaps a better argument is not forthcoming because atrocities are inexcusable, no matter who is committing them.