Iran Arrests Suspected Converts to Christianity

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Isn't Atheism illegal in Iran?

Reely? I thought the Bush son administration is more like Nixon than JFK. Not simply because so many decision makers started out with Nixon.

well it's like nixon in its disregard for the public (which is actually a neo-con principle...they believe they are above the public so long as they preach the right morals to everyone). it's like jfk/fdr in the rampant spending spree and increase in government size and scope.

basically take the worst that the republican and democrats have had to offer in the last 100 years and that's the neo-cons. and sadly, the dems have been shifting that way in the last 15 years or so too but as the more "liberal" version of it...which just means throwing in a couple socialist ideas like universal healthcare but never game planning it or putting any real effort into it.

That would be fun, but the Chinese are more concerned about war with India (Arunachal Pradesh dispute, Aksai Chin occupation, incursions in Ladakh, nuclear submarine base at Hainan, incursions into Sikkim, incursions into Bhutan (which is considered a buffer state of India by the Chinese), etc). It's been centuries since the Arabs fought the Chinese, but it's only been four and a half decades since the Indians fought them.

Btw, I used to be an apostate. I was born into a Muslim family, but I spent more than half a decade as an atheist. Aya 002.217 of the Quran is used as proof by the four Sunni schools and the Twelver Shia school (which is dominant in Iran) for executing apostates. Verse 002.217, as interpreted by Shakir, is as follows -



Pay attention to the words persecution is graver than slaughter. This is by far the most revealing and probably the most misinterpreted aya in the holy Quran. Islam is essentially a liberal religion, but misinterpretation has got us what we see today. Truly, a verse instigating freedom is used to legitimize oppression. All the verse simply says is - unbelievers will go to hell. It's common to every monotheistic faith.



Yes, it's illegal in many countries, including India, the world's largest secular democracy. You must declare that you belong to one of the recognised faiths in order to gain citizenship. For example, the chief minister of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, Karunanidhi, is publically an atheist, but has legally declared himself a Hindu.

Aw, c'mon. Whether you're joking or not, we do have members here from the Middle East, and they're nice. Besides, Afghan authorities were executing converts from Islam until the U.S. protested. Let the Pope and his minions battle this out via the U.N. and the press. The damn Crusades are responsible for part of this problem. This is more a potshot at the West than anything else.

Feel free to roll your eyes, just making an observation.

i'm not a fan of FDR or JFK and i agree with you in the sense that they spend money like those democrats. only difference is they try to not tax as much...but even so, they still offer better tax breaks to the highest brackets.

the neo-cons are as ideologically flawed as the communists. even down to too much focus on government power over individual free choice.

it doesn't help that the neo-cons have come into vogue thanks to fox news and karl rove...though, in my opinion, kissinger really got the ball rolling for the neo-cons to be as prevalent and as much of a force as they are today.

The “but Christians did that too” is a fallacious argument. It doesn’t excuse what Iran is doing one bit. Exceedingly few Christians have that middle age mindset these days, yet a sizable minority of Muslims still do.

The only thing I would argue with Raggy is that he never mentions the other people repressed under Islamic theocracy regimes. What about Bahai’s, pagans, Buddhists, mystics, atheists? Why do Christians always care about the people of their own sect above all others?

Muslims are more anti-atheist than they are anti-Christian. Christians and Jews are considered “people of the book” and given some privileges not afforded to others.

I think most are of the opinion that there's already too much government waste, state pork tacked to various bills, and they'd rather cut entitlement programs (like the farm subsidies for example) rather than take that from the tax payers whoever they may be. I at least like the answers I'm hearing on that side as well on energy issues - better to build nuclear reactors, wind farms, build new refineries, or drill in Alaska rather than just bring oil execs in and grill them on why oil is getting so expensive as the rest of the world's demand multiplies and as even Saudi Arabia's ability to produce oil is leveling off.

Maybe I am being fed a line of garbage but it keeps sounding like on the left I hear a lot of people who don't want to pay attention to the science, to the cause and effect of why things are the way they are, but are preferring to bend what they hear to cater to a political base which they have (largely) endeared on grounds of entitlement. The war on terror of course I leave alone just because, I believe it when its been said that all 3 of these presidents would do the same thing once they're getting the intelligence reports; they do warn Obama though of what happened with JFK when he met to chat with Nikita Kruschev, just off the mistaken perception that John F Kennedy was a weak man it actually bred the Cuban Missile Crisis - they found out otherwise but nearly at the cost of nuclear war; Obama can't make the same mistake with Ahmadinejad.

I'm sure SkaFather gets excited when he hears news like this, but then again he probably wont expose himself to such information because its from Faux News. After all, The Iranian regime is routinely arresting and murdering people who are not Muslims, like the Bahai whom I'm sure Ska would agree with the Iranians are muslim apostates waging Zionism.

Are we living in the dark ages? With your intellect I'm assuming we are.





Name a Christian nation that makes it against the law to convert to another faith, and if you are found to convert you are to be put to death because of it.

I guess people here support an Islamic Crusade, after all the Christians had one too!

most of our oil doesn't even come from the middle east! that's just a diversion to allow the price gouging to continue. "oh, we're having trouble getting oil in the middle east so all oil will go up in price!"


it's a farce.

Nigeria, Venezuela, Russia, many others I know. They have it in Sudan but there's major irritation with a lot of people regarding their complete non-handling of Darfur - some people of course are really irritated with China for buying so much oil from them. That 385,000,000 barrels figure is global aggregate, commonly known oil producers as well as lesser - none can output fast enough to keep up with now India, China, its a fuel everyone's needing and we could have expected, just as basic mental math, that as the "third world" comes online and starts modernizing more that a scarce resource would become that much more scarce. I think we're one of the the few if not the only country that's as straightjacketed on tapping its own internal resources or actually being allowed by its residents and politicians to actually build what's necessary or do what's needed.

Not true - there are a lot of Christians between the ages of 35 and 65, and they think and act accordingly.

Quick severity check though, are Christians giving physical coercion to the degree of whipping (not s&m flogging, picking flesh off of muscle), cutting off body parts, murdering their children if they go secular or atheist? Can you criticize them and not have to worry about hiring police protection? Saying Christian's are equal to that, regardless of action, just on mechanics and intent - its cozy, its politically correct, people will like a person for saying and thinking it but its not true and regrettably dangerous because its a loss of scope.

Mind you, I'd never defend Christians who literally push religion down someone's throat for the sake of it - I believe that anyone who pushes anything down anyone's throat; particularly if it ends up being something as personal as religion, is lost in some utopian vision and they're not only acting horridly but they're giving everyone else a really bad rap who's of the respective religion their representing. I've heard people argue that Iraq for instance was really about oil, I've heard revenge for Bush's dad, those can't be ruled out as possible motivators, but I don't think its possible to say that any of the war on terror has been to conquer Muslims for the sake of converting them to Christianity.