hate speech against autistics on the internet?

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Hey all, have any of you been told that hopefully there won't be many autistic people in the world in the coming years? Doesn't that mindset seem scary?


found on the autism speaks message board:

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I think the problem with Autism Speaks users are that they tend to confuse "high-functioning" with "cured". They assume that if a kid gets early intervention, learns to walk, talk, and eventually goes to school with the "normal" kids, they are "cured", and not just high-functioning.

Hence the reason they don't consider high-functioning adults on the spectrum to be "real" autistics.

Probably right, there. The wiring may be tampered with somewhat, but it'll never be precisely as NT. Then again, are all NTs wired the same, anyway? Odd to think that they don't realize that some of us figured out how to rewire ourselves. So many people seem to assume there ~always~ has to be an outside force or "science" or "medicine" involved. And that all modifications are good (even those that move one toward the "norm" are not necessarily "good" in the grander scheme). Always the outside agent.... Sometimes yes, of course. But so many don't seem to see that there are other options, other results, for other people. How very strange.

I'd worry less about what people say, and more about what people do. Most of the talkers are NOT do-ers.

Folks who come across as the equivalent of the obnoxious, overbearing versions of religious fundamentalists (for comparison's sake) - those who are rabid, rigid, and intolerant - tend to show by example what they are made of. And they hamstring themselves ... they lose credibility in the larger world (though they rarely seem to realize that). Best to just let them talk, and let them show themselves for who they are. Watch, but don't invest a lot of effort into arguing or dealing with them.

Carefully cultivate a different image. If they begin to act, you will have studied them for long enough to pretty much know what steps they'll be planning to take. You can then take countermeasures to derail their plans. And you'll have the image/street cred to do so.

In the meantime, they just dig their own graves a bit at a time, as the saying goes.

[Why do I keep thinking of the Polish Cavalry's last heroic charge? ]

Every thought that NT's were the ones who are abnormal?

It seems the majority of one makes the other not normal. So if there were more females than males, then being male is abnormal? Both are required to continue.
Humans have all sorts of traits such as autism more than the animal kingdom for one simple reason. We look deeper and care for everyone. The animal kingdom seeks and supports the strongest therefore the stronger genes are carried on and continued. If this were the same with people then stuff such as autism would be long gone...

Just something I've been thinking about for a long time and never really sourced the info online anywhere.

One thing many parents should realise is that people with Autistic Disorder improve in most of the cases; the "severe" symptoms that many talk about in children vanish as they grow (nonverbal, aggressive behaviour, etcetera). Sure, they'll most likely be reliant on family/government aid/housing, but with the right support for the majority of them, it's possible for them to work and form relationships if they so desire [and even live independently without much assistance in the "best" cases].

These people can offer a view on humanity that humanity as a whole can't see; being detached from the group/collective via feelings and the many forms of communication (most of which are nonverbal), will create this alternative, but just as valid view on life.

We'll never be "normal", but if everyone were "normal", humanity would be quite stagnant (I believe Heinlein touches on this very fact in the novel Starship Troopers with the human colony that doesn't receive hardly any solar radiation at all, hence, there'll be no mutations due to such).

Autism Sqeaks will do nothing but make more glum, super-intelligent savants who end up despising their organization in the long run because of militant childhoods that they have been forced to live. So don't worry, the cycle will of course repeat itself naturally...

A bit less black/white could be used in such a discussion. It is becoming too much a dogma.

Pushing children can help them, but only to a certain limit. Pushing too far will result in traumas and hate, not pushing will result in children not using their potentials. I think a little pushing works, but only in with enough help and a proper environment. Expecting the children to be geniuses and winners will certainly work not! But labelling them as guaranteed losers won't help either.

But all children should be loved and valued, even if their talents are not always visible.

The FAAAS Fascists are even worse both on their website content and on their message boards. The amount of misinformation, disinformation, inaccuracy, cruelty, selfishness and plain pure hate is just unbelievable. And the worst thing about it is that ONLY family members are permitted, absolutely no one with AS/ASD. So they can say whatever the hell they want and there's no one to counter it or to try to explain what things are like for AS/ASD adults, how exhausting everyday life can be, that they're NOT automatic ogres while those poor, long-suffering family are all saints no matter what. If they had their way, they'd wipe us all from the face of the earth.

Hey, look, ma! I dhone be lyke evrybuddy else, now! Yee-haaw, I is normals now! I done be curied by magic peoples with them there machines 'n such like. I is gonna sleep wit ma sister, ah-hyuck.

Yeah, sorry, but I dislike the concept of "let's make 'em just like us". These people who promote "cures" are... for lack of better terms, gullible, backwards idiots. Actually, perhaps those are the best terms... Ah, retrospect...

I laugh when they trot out a so-called "cured" autistic person, and compare them to a "recovering" Autistic.
The "recovering" Autistics are always much younger, lower-functioning.
The "cured" Autistics are somwhat older and higher-functioning.

When will these jackasses realise they HAVE NO RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR US! They have no right to try and promote the mentality that fewer of us would be a good thing! We've words for that: Genocide, and them's fightin' words.

Personally; my research endeavours to stabilise the autistic mutation - which, at least apparently, seems to be happening naturally - but not fast enough. I can't wait ten thousand years; not with "pro-cure" idiots about.

By stabilising the gene; the detrimental characteristics of Autism will not be present, whilst the more constructive elements will be.
I know, playing "god", trying to accelerate an occuring process, but, hey - I don't believe in god, so I'll do whatever I want.
The difference: My approach is optional to people who desire it, and can articulate that THEMSELVES.
NOT something to be forced on all!

Incidentally, stabilisation will not mean that whoever is already autistic will magically become like Einstein; rather that Kanner's Autistic children would not be born - as evidence SUGGESTS, I won't say that it's a certain thing yet, though I'm still researching - instead, a "better autistic" child would be born: Having the particular mindset and capacity of thought as a savant-type Asperger, without the physical awkwardness, anxiety, depression, etc. Social-skills would be different, of course, but rather than lacking social abilities, they would simply not have been. As it stands; many Aspergers desire socialisation, but lack the capability - much as though it were an amputated thought process. These people would have no interest in socialisation, but the capacity to emulate it if so desired.
Basically, what many of us try to be.

This is not a solution for any perceived notion that current Aspergers and Autistics are any lesser beings; rather, that because many Aspergers - like myself - do not wish to have children, for the risk of what their lives may be like in this world we live in.
This would solve that. If I succeed at this, no guarantee I will, then I can have kids. They won't have to live as I did, as I do.
They would be infinitely happier for that, I should think. Again, it's an optional thing. I really only intend it for myself, but others can have as they will...

But, let's see pricks like that try to spread their "no autistic" propaganda, against the concept of a clearly and visibly equal, yet vastly different, Autistic group? That would be worth a laugh.

Good god, reading back on that, sounds almost like science-fiction...

Another thing I find eery is that these people who say things like "hopefully there won't be as many of you in the next few decades" claim to be offended by the term "curebie." They'll act all offended and play victim.

It's hypocritical really because they talk about autistics not being able to know what's best and yet they somehow get offended by a single individual or a group of individuals in a disadvantaged minority group using a term like curebie after being mistreated and degraded for years.

Rationality, sadly, is not a universal trait.

I think Autism Speaks sometimes doesn't really know what they're speaking about. They show really low functioning kids in one vidio but fail to talk about any actual acheivments or positives about Autism. I think in their good intentions, they wound up doing more harm then good.

And they fail to understand that we would take offense at their stated goal of making sure that no one like us will ever be permitted to exist in the future they envision.

I just find it ironic that they can go on about 'curing' us and wanting there to not be any of us around in a few decades, yet can you imagine what their reaction would be if someone were to propose the eradication of whatever group they belong to?! I can see it now... "I don't need to be cured!" "Genocide! Genocide!" - uhhh, yeah? Look in the mirror for a change why don't you?!

LeKiwi,

They get away with that type of thinking because they see us as damaged an incomplete people. It's the same way black people were viewed by many people in the south during the Jim Crow period and before and the same way gay people are viewed by quite a few people in uneducated communities.

I know, and it's sad. I just can't understand how people can be so limited in their vision that they see people as objects rather than as whole, complete people, differences and quirks and all. I mean, come one, we're autistics - aren't we meant to be the ones with limited vision and unable to see the bigger picture? It almost feels sometimes as if we're all switching places.