Side-by-side economics: McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden

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14 Sep 2008, 11:07 pm

Orwell wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
It is doubleplus ungood.

AG is a blackwhite duckspeaker.

For those as obsessed with 1984 as me, can you tell me (off the top of your head, no cheating!) where in the book those descriptors are found and defined, and whether they are terms of praise or abuse? Order of Conspicuous Merit for the first person to answer correctly! But remember no cheating... Big Brother is watching you.

Is there crimethink going on here?



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14 Sep 2008, 11:33 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
It is doubleplus ungood.

AG is a blackwhite duckspeaker.

For those as obsessed with 1984 as me, can you tell me (off the top of your head, no cheating!) where in the book those descriptors are found and defined, and whether they are terms of praise or abuse? Order of Conspicuous Merit for the first person to answer correctly! But remember no cheating... Big Brother is watching you.

Is there crimethink going on here?

That's for you to tell me. Is blackwhite duckspeaking goodthinkful or ungoodthinkful? Come now, Comrade Toad! Don't you want to vanquish the Eurasian, er I mean Eastasian, enemy?


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14 Sep 2008, 11:54 pm

Orwell wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
It is doubleplus ungood.

AG is a blackwhite duckspeaker.

For those as obsessed with 1984 as me, can you tell me (off the top of your head, no cheating!) where in the book those descriptors are found and defined, and whether they are terms of praise or abuse? Order of Conspicuous Merit for the first person to answer correctly! But remember no cheating... Big Brother is watching you.

Is there crimethink going on here?

That's for you to tell me. Is blackwhite duckspeaking goodthinkful or ungoodthinkful? Come now, Comrade Toad! Don't you want to vanquish the Eurasian, er I mean Eastasian, enemy?


no speak newspeak plusgood...



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15 Sep 2008, 6:21 am

Orwell, if you really want to understand 1984 better, you should read the rest of his novels, in chronological order. I did just that, 40 years ago, over one long weekend, and it changed my thinking forever.



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15 Sep 2008, 11:32 am

Yesterday, Donald Luskin (one of McCain's economic advisers) said the economy is really doing quite well, and anyone who says otherwise is a weak-minded pessimist: housing prices are going up, foreclosures aren't really a problem, banks are basically sound, we are no where close to being in a recession. The idea that times are difficult are purely psychological, my fellow Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02415.html



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15 Sep 2008, 12:35 pm

monty wrote:
Yesterday, Donald Luskin (one of McCain's economic advisers) said the economy is really doing quite well, and anyone who says otherwise is a weak-minded pessimist: housing prices are going up, foreclosures aren't really a problem, banks are basically sound, we are no where close to being in a recession. The idea that times are difficult are purely psychological, my fellow Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02415.html


I beg to differ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/busin ... ref=slogin
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/05/news/ec ... 2008090511
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/busin ... ehman.html



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15 Sep 2008, 12:52 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
monty wrote:
Yesterday, Donald Luskin (one of McCain's economic advisers) said the economy is really doing quite well, and anyone who says otherwise is a weak-minded pessimist: housing prices are going up, foreclosures aren't really a problem, banks are basically sound, we are no where close to being in a recession. The idea that times are difficult are purely psychological, my fellow Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02415.html


I beg to differ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/busin ... ref=slogin
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/05/news/ec ... 2008090511
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/busin ... ehman.html


I interpreted monty's remarks to be sarcastic... of course I could be wrong.



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15 Sep 2008, 1:51 pm

ed wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
monty wrote:
Yesterday, Donald Luskin (one of McCain's economic advisers) said the economy is really doing quite well, and anyone who says otherwise is a weak-minded pessimist: housing prices are going up, foreclosures aren't really a problem, banks are basically sound, we are no where close to being in a recession. The idea that times are difficult are purely psychological, my fellow Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02415.html


I beg to differ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/busin ... ref=slogin
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/05/news/ec ... 2008090511
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/busin ... ehman.html


I interpreted monty's remarks to be sarcastic... of course I could be wrong.


I was paraphrasing what McCain's advisor said - I don't agree with it at all. It could be construed as irony - the literal words he spoke are the opposite of what many believe to be true. But some people do believe what he said. Was I being sarcastic? Amazingly, no - although I have disbelief and contempt for what Luskin said, I was simply trying to characterize what he said. Similar to what Phil Gramm said a few months back about America being a nation of whiners when it comes to the economy ... no need to be sarcastic - just quote the man accurately.



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15 Sep 2008, 5:24 pm

monty wrote:
Yesterday, Donald Luskin (one of McCain's economic advisers) said the economy is really doing quite well, and anyone who says otherwise is a weak-minded pessimist: housing prices are going up, foreclosures aren't really a problem, banks are basically sound, we are no where close to being in a recession. The idea that times are difficult are purely psychological, my fellow Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02415.html

I call BS.


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15 Sep 2008, 5:34 pm

Orwell wrote:
monty wrote:
Yesterday, Donald Luskin (one of McCain's economic advisers) said the economy is really doing quite well, and anyone who says otherwise is a weak-minded pessimist: housing prices are going up, foreclosures aren't really a problem, banks are basically sound, we are no where close to being in a recession. The idea that times are difficult are purely psychological, my fellow Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02415.html

I call BS.


On who?

(edited - ok, I am assuming the highlighted text means you don't think banks are sound.)



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16 Sep 2008, 2:56 pm

monty wrote:
Orwell wrote:
monty wrote:
Yesterday, Donald Luskin (one of McCain's economic advisers) said the economy is really doing quite well, and anyone who says otherwise is a weak-minded pessimist: housing prices are going up, foreclosures aren't really a problem, banks are basically sound, we are no where close to being in a recession. The idea that times are difficult are purely psychological, my fellow Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02415.html

I call BS.


On who?

(edited - ok, I am assuming the highlighted text means you don't think banks are sound.)


Does Meryll Lynch ring a bell?


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17 Sep 2008, 12:34 pm

Scott Adams (the guy that wrote Dilbert) spent his own coin to find out what a sampling of 500 economists think on the question of Obama vs. McCain. Here are the results:

http://www.dilbert.com/blog/entry/dilbe ... conomists/