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Sweetleaf
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30 Jul 2011, 6:36 pm

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That's odd that you were diagnosed with both, I thought one of the diagnostic criteria for Asperger's is that it can't be schizophrenia.


Well the two can exist together I am pretty sure.



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31 Jul 2011, 2:10 am

I was under the impression that schizophrenia is a degenerative condition and gets worse throughout life. But AS is not degenerative.



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31 Jul 2011, 3:00 am

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I was under the impression that schizophrenia is a degenerative condition and gets worse throughout life. But AS is not degenerative.


I think it gets worse if you do nothing about it, but I do not think it is always garanteed to get worse, I guess I would have to go look up more on both and see what it says. I think As can also get worse, depending on various factors.



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02 Jul 2015, 1:36 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am not diagnosed with schizophrenia. I have never had any kind of hallucinations but I have had paranoia. I guess they would share some traits because it involves genetics and the brain.
I think paranoia is the biproduct of a brain that is different in some way because so many disorders that affect the brain share this trait. Everybody probably already knows this.
I would be happy if I never experienced the paranoid state ever again, it's so uncomfortable.


You don't paranoia please don't say you do. I thought I had paranoia too but under very close examination and being able to articulate the paranoid delusions or paranoid ideations in detail to Dr. Diane Watson MD, RPCPC that works in Brockville/Ottawa Ontario Canada she said it was "overthinking"



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08 Sep 2016, 3:38 pm

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Symptoms of delusions are "positive" symptoms. If enough "negative" symptoms are present, and there is clear evidence of clinically significant mal-adaptivity, plus a few things that might be construed as delusional (such as the notion that people are picking on you, or are all "in on" information/communicating information to which you are not aware and excluded from) in the context of negative symptoms being present and the absence of any other clinical explanation, then it's all too easy for someone to be misdiagnosed.

Some people with ASDs are very suggestible and socially passive. If they are told something enough, by people they perceive as authoritative (in terms of knowledge), then they can begin to believe what they are told. From being placed on hard core drugs, to being told one is suffering delusions of belief, and often perceptual/sensory hallucination (for instance the delusion that particular stimulus is painful being interpreted by medical professionals and explained to the patient as sensory hallucination), and that they have a degenerative condition that may or may not be sufficiently controlled by the medications to prevent further delusions or hallucinations, they might believe that they are experiencing hallucinations. They might, with enough leading, develop powerful fantasies in which they over-interpret mere ideas and thoughts as actual visual or audio hallucinations (indeed they may misunderstand the literal quality of real hallucinations as a result of over-compensation for over-literal interpretation).

Additionally, people with ASDs can develop transitory stress related psychosis, and if being medicated with powerful drugs one does not need, and pyscho-educated into believing one has a severe oten degenerative mental illness, does not constitute stress, what exactly would?

Knowledge about ASDs is not particularly pervasive in the medical field, including in psychiatry. Arguably, it is silly to suggest people with ASDs were not receiving mental health services prior to 1994, and to this day, many in psychiatry would not recognize an ASD if their (verbal) patient walked into their office proclaiming it.

People with ASDs in the main do superficially appear to have some psychiatric issue if their ASD is ignored (in the context of psychiatric evaluation), because in the main we present with what superficially appears as psychiatric symptoms. I do not know of any comprehensive attempt to identify these people within the psychiatric patient population, and many no doubt are currently misdiagnosed, mis-medicated, and without any prospect of the quality of life they could obtain in the absence of unnecessary and counter-productive "treatment" for non-existent mental illness.

The limited research in this area is led by the UK, and the evidence is that such persons are currently in the mental health system. One report on such research went so far as state directly that it had found patients who were committed to special hospitals with psychiatric diagnoses, because their underlying ASD had been misdiagnosed (with consequential lack of appropriate support and imposition of harmful interventions).


Sorry for the necrobump but this feels like you were writing about me , very interesting thread & post , thankyou


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