A war between HFA, narcissist and sociopath

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22 Aug 2009, 9:33 pm

To be honest, the sociopath would win if weapons was involved.

However... the HFAs would win if war stragedies were their obsession of choice.

The Narcissists would think they had already won by simply looking so fantastic. So they already lost in a way.

... A funnier war would be "OCD cleaners VS. bi-polar slobs over at christmas"



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22 Aug 2009, 11:23 pm

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If there were a war between high functioning autistic, narcissist and sociopath, who do you think would win?


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it is the more severe spectrum of narcissism that has additional features of anti-socialism, paranoia and most commonly... idealized aggressive sadism


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23 Aug 2009, 9:56 am

It depends on the battle field. If we are talking hand to hand combat and weapons, the HFA will win (we got the best temper tantrums). If we are talking politics, the sociopath whose most narcissistic would win though nobody would want that to happen, so nobody would really know how that happened, and they wouldn't win as a team because they are every man for themselves. And, out of all the sociopaths within their own team, the one whose most narcissistic would come out on top. If it's a mixture of both (like a normal war on earth), well HFA would win (we'd have more numbers who already have prior military experience or are current military). The only problem would be funding... I think sociopaths would be able to acquire more funding.

As far as the whole manipulate others, that would be pretty even. Sociopaths are great at manipulating people, but look at this forum even. HFA chicks are hot (and that's only from the very few who show their real picture), and everyone knows pretty girls don't have to be charming to get their way. Ugly girls are manipulative. Pretty girls like us don't have to be :nerdy: :wink:

Edit to add: HFA would have a code nobody could break for security purposes, and while the sociopaths and narcissists were busy making polices on policy, we'd be busy creating high tech equipment on a dime.


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23 Aug 2009, 10:27 am

It would be a very distorted, strange war... I'd say the HFA's would be the wiser, but may have problems with morale. The sociopaths are a bunch of bastards, and sometimes have a way of getting what they want whoever is in the way, but I feel that HFA's may be able to see through those as*holes.

Narcissists... well some of them are sociopaths right? Some only have a pinch of narcissism and aren't anything like sociopaths... I'd say they would be a bit mixed, as would the other two factions.

Truth be told, I hope this never happens.


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23 Aug 2009, 11:24 am

This is an easy question. The odds are stacked too heavily in favour of the sociopath. Narcissists are delusional and histrionic, and HFA's are socially inept, only see the small picture (overanalyzing and micromanaging too much can be detrimental when it leaves no space in your mind for common sense), are the opposite of smooth, inflexible, lack a malicious nature, and are nowhere near as grandiose.

The only disadvantage a sociopath has in this war is the lack of control in impulses.

Sociopaths > Narcissists < HFA



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23 Aug 2009, 2:05 pm

I say sociopath. Because even when they're clearly losing, they still believe it's a win... and they create their own rules. A narcissist would be left trying to prove to the rest of the world that their way is the ONLY way, and HFA wouldn't understand what the hell the fight is about in the first place.



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23 Aug 2009, 2:13 pm

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Meet-

Mr. Narcissist

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSnx7oU0NVU[/youtube]



This guy is SOOO funny, I laughed almost the whole way through this, especially when he says ...."....how's your gaydar?" LMFAO



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23 Aug 2009, 5:18 pm

.... What advantage would a narcissist have in this? XD

I was gonna say something about an HFA seeming innocent/dumb enough so that he could lull everyone into a false sense of security, but that would mean he's a sociopath, wouldn't it? So yeah, maybe the sociopaths would win.;;


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30 Aug 2009, 6:33 pm

I am both an aspie, narcissist and sociopath (believe it or not). I d say I d win. But its my sociopathic nature talking :) In every social environment, I quickly understand others' characters, although I usually fail at communicating well. Then I determine the prime rivals and start the procedure. I can seem friendly or neutral depending on the personality but I never expose my intentions/rivalry. I often use other people as tools in the process, turn them on each other, gossip against etc. All ambitious and egocentric people are potential obstacles to my domination, so these kind of people are always under my close observation. I dont see narcissists as rivals, cuz as a narcissist I know them very well and they are easily deactivated if I dont mess with their self-obssession which is pointless. However if I dislike one of them, they are very easy targets since they are also seen with prejudice by the rest of the group. Any aspies or autistic kind of passive people dont represent threat to me. I usually ignore them, since they are of no use. A person need to be reactable, idealistic and confident to be manipulated and used effectively. People with passive characters lack this motivation. They probably wont understand the need to act and even if they are convinced, they will probably do nothing.

You may ask me then how does being aspie affect your sociopathic ways. Firstly it makes me aware of my "urges". Therefore I often prevent myself from starting conspiracies and telling lies and I try to act reasonably. Even if I fail at preventing myself, as my social skills are limited, I d have difficulty in the process. Also it keeps me more interested in working and objects so the time I spend with people decreases. I have two opposite characters in myself but I cant really say that they are in conflict. For example I like to help somebody but later I always realize that I get something in turn. They just live together in me. Manipulating people is just as natural for me as chilling out while reading about digital cameras.

I ve gone quite off topic but to answer the question, the sociopath wins easily as he/she has a great understanding of other people's (or rivals) minds and he/she just eliminates the competetion. Sociopaths are built to dominate.



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30 Aug 2009, 10:08 pm

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I am both an aspie, narcissist and sociopath (believe it or not). I d say I d win. But its my sociopathic nature talking :) In every social environment, I quickly understand others' characters, although I usually fail at communicating well. Then I determine the prime rivals and start the procedure. I can seem friendly or neutral depending on the personality but I never expose my intentions/rivalry. I often use other people as tools in the process, turn them on each other, gossip against etc. All ambitious and egocentric people are potential obstacles to my domination, so these kind of people are always under my close observation. I dont see narcissists as rivals, cuz as a narcissist I know them very well and they are easily deactivated if I dont mess with their self-obssession which is pointless. However if I dislike one of them, they are very easy targets since they are also seen with prejudice by the rest of the group. Any aspies or autistic kind of passive people dont represent threat to me. I usually ignore them, since they are of no use. A person need to be reactable, idealistic and confident to be manipulated and used effectively. People with passive characters lack this motivation. They probably wont understand the need to act and even if they are convinced, they will probably do nothing.

You may ask me then how does being aspie affect your sociopathic ways. Firstly it makes me aware of my "urges". Therefore I often prevent myself from starting conspiracies and telling lies and I try to act reasonably. Even if I fail at preventing myself, as my social skills are limited, I d have difficulty in the process. Also it keeps me more interested in working and objects so the time I spend with people decreases. I have two opposite characters in myself but I cant really say that they are in conflict. For example I like to help somebody but later I always realize that I get something in turn. They just live together in me. Manipulating people is just as natural for me as chilling out while reading about digital cameras.

I ve gone quite off topic but to answer the question, the sociopath wins easily as he/she has a great understanding of other people's (or rivals) minds and he/she just eliminates the competetion. Sociopaths are built to dominate.


I can't really imagine being a manipulative person while having AS. What motivates you? What's the point? There's no reason for me to even try to manipulate unless I'm somehow in personal danger and there's no other way out of a situation. 99.9% of the time the reward simply isn't worth the risk.

Truth be told I don't find interacting with people interesting enough to get the idea to manipulate. Even if I had no conscience at all I don't think I'd be a sociopath. Most of the time I find people uninteresting so I tend to avoid them. Flattering and/or ingratiating people is probably the lowest thing on the list in terms of stimulating activities for me. I'm more of an "ideas" person than a "people" person.



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30 Aug 2009, 10:26 pm

Anyways. I think the HFA will win because we have the strongest sense of justice and will hold the most violent grudge against the sociopaths when they start nonchalantly screwing people over. Meanwhile the sociopaths and narcissists will have wasted all their energy competing with each other for top position in the ranks. The HFA will be the ones left with the most fight in them once the outrage grows. Of course it might be possible for a few lone sociopaths to infiltrate the leadership of the HFA community for their own ends but they'll eventually be discovered and outnumbered in the end.



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31 Aug 2009, 12:56 am

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Seriously (ha), I'm really not sure. It would be easy for the narcissist to believe a sociopath's charms, but I suppose that neither would be able to manipulate a HFA well


I dunno about that. Someone I knew in college was a sociopath, and he had no difficulty manipulating me or my friends (among us: some NTs, 2 dx'ed Aspie, me dx'ed NLD, 1 suspected Aspie). Actually, the person who saw through his manipulations the easiest was one of the NTs. The Aspie/NLD tendency to take what someone says at face value is definitely a problem when dealing with sociopaths.


I think you're right!

Something for everyone here to consider:

1. Psychopaths make a higher percentage of the prison population than others (Robert Hare, one of the leading university professors on psychopathy)
2. Psychopaths are more likely to be released from prison early than those not diagnosed, although they're more likely to cause problems later on http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7833672.stm
3. Those with Asperger's are more likely to end up victims than causers of crime http://www.childpsych.theclinics.com/ar ... #section10

Also, has anyone else here noticed that those with Asperger's in general are less able at sports? Does that equate to great hand to hand combat skills with a psychopath, or something else?

Those with Asperger's often have times where they have great difficulty explaining themselves/ideas, even convincing someone of common knowledge to be true. Psychopaths are well-known for selling ice to an Eskimo.

If someone with Asperger's has trouble figuring out what's going on in simple social situations, then why are they so great in super-complex psychopathic situations?

Maybe a game of chess one could win.

Just some food for thought for everyone!



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31 Aug 2009, 5:36 am

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decoder wrote:
I am both an aspie, narcissist and sociopath (believe it or not). I d say I d win. But its my sociopathic nature talking :) In every social environment, I quickly understand others' characters, although I usually fail at communicating well. Then I determine the prime rivals and start the procedure. I can seem friendly or neutral depending on the personality but I never expose my intentions/rivalry. I often use other people as tools in the process, turn them on each other, gossip against etc. All ambitious and egocentric people are potential obstacles to my domination, so these kind of people are always under my close observation. I dont see narcissists as rivals, cuz as a narcissist I know them very well and they are easily deactivated if I dont mess with their self-obssession which is pointless. However if I dislike one of them, they are very easy targets since they are also seen with prejudice by the rest of the group. Any aspies or autistic kind of passive people dont represent threat to me. I usually ignore them, since they are of no use. A person need to be reactable, idealistic and confident to be manipulated and used effectively. People with passive characters lack this motivation. They probably wont understand the need to act and even if they are convinced, they will probably do nothing.

You may ask me then how does being aspie affect your sociopathic ways. Firstly it makes me aware of my "urges". Therefore I often prevent myself from starting conspiracies and telling lies and I try to act reasonably. Even if I fail at preventing myself, as my social skills are limited, I d have difficulty in the process. Also it keeps me more interested in working and objects so the time I spend with people decreases. I have two opposite characters in myself but I cant really say that they are in conflict. For example I like to help somebody but later I always realize that I get something in turn. They just live together in me. Manipulating people is just as natural for me as chilling out while reading about digital cameras.

I ve gone quite off topic but to answer the question, the sociopath wins easily as he/she has a great understanding of other people's (or rivals) minds and he/she just eliminates the competetion. Sociopaths are built to dominate.


I can't really imagine being a manipulative person while having AS. What motivates you? What's the point? There's no reason for me to even try to manipulate unless I'm somehow in personal danger and there's no other way out of a situation. 99.9% of the time the reward simply isn't worth the risk.

Truth be told I don't find interacting with people interesting enough to get the idea to manipulate. Even if I had no conscience at all I don't think I'd be a sociopath. Most of the time I find people uninteresting so I tend to avoid them. Flattering and/or ingratiating people is probably the lowest thing on the list in terms of stimulating activities for me. I'm more of an "ideas" person than a "people" person.


You would know if you were a sociopath 8) Everybody are just objects for a sociopath, and they are regarded as either tools or obstacles or objects again. Its very similar to aspie view for an aspie too is usually not aware that other people are emotional, demanding and giving beings. As for the motivation, the motivation is the desire to dominate and the admiration of yourself.I ve been a narcissist since I know I am alive and the sociopathic attitude can not be learned from any where. It comes very naturally even in very comfortable and safe situations. You know there really are some people with obsession to rule the world, and it is the same motive behind say to set up conspiracies in an office with colleagues. Sociopaths are programmed to dominate, and they just cant stop trying. They are the closest thing to devil in the world :) The mind of a sociopath is always active and constantly analizing. Far from peaceful. They are parasitic characters that thrives in chaos and get excited for the smallest possibility of benefit. I hope I could give you some insight about the sociopathic mind. I dont think I could be this aware and sane about it if I werent an aspie.



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31 Aug 2009, 11:49 am

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You would know if you were a sociopath 8) Everybody are just objects for a sociopath, and they are regarded as either tools or obstacles or objects again. Its very similar to aspie view for an aspie too is usually not aware that other people are emotional, demanding and giving beings. As for the motivation, the motivation is the desire to dominate and the admiration of yourself.I ve been a narcissist since I know I am alive and the sociopathic attitude can not be learned from any where. It comes very naturally even in very comfortable and safe situations. You know there really are some people with obsession to rule the world, and it is the same motive behind say to set up conspiracies in an office with colleagues. Sociopaths are programmed to dominate, and they just cant stop trying. They are the closest thing to devil in the world :) The mind of a sociopath is always active and constantly analizing. Far from peaceful. They are parasitic characters that thrives in chaos and get excited for the smallest possibility of benefit. I hope I could give you some insight about the sociopathic mind. I dont think I could be this aware and sane about it if I werent an aspie.

Though I've been accused of being self-centered I've never viewed people as not having emotions or being objects. I think that's a misconception of autism. Maybe I thought that way as a 2 year old but beyond that age I have clear memories and I was definitely aware that people were people. I was just more interested in my own activities and obsessions than in socializing on other people's terms.

Also I don't understand how having an admiration for yourself leads to a desire to dominate. I can admit that privately I view myself as being intellectually superior yet I have no desire to use my intelligence to dominate. I'd rather just study the world. That's what gives me joy. I think, I study. I generally feel contempt for people who only wish to dominate because I see them as shallow and inferior on a spiritual level. I wouldn't normally say this to someone but since you claim to be a proud sociopath I'm assuming you won't take offense. :wink: I just don't "get" sociopaths to the degree that I almost view them as objects since I can't relate to their basic emotional drive.



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Though I've been accused of being self-centered I've never viewed people as not having emotions or being objects. I think that's a misconception of autism. Maybe I thought that way as a 2 year old but beyond that age I have clear memories and I was definitely aware that people were people. I was just more interested in my own activities and obsessions than in socializing on other people's terms.


First of all let me clarify this: I dont see people as inanimate stunts. Of course I am aware they have feelings and ideals. But I just dont care about those. Caring for anybody simply doesnt benefit me so I dont care. I think and act as self-benefit oriented. You can continue feeling contempt but its very natural for me to feel offended. You are judging me or hating me for something I didnt want to be. You can hate rats just because they are rats but you shouldnt tell that to me cuz I can understand what you say. And your feeling contempt doesnt add anything to the argument. Its just your sheerly private "thing".


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Also I don't understand how having an admiration for yourself leads to a desire to dominate. I can admit that privately I view myself as being intellectually superior yet I have no desire to use my intelligence to dominate. I'd rather just study the world. That's what gives me joy. I think, I study. I generally feel contempt for people who only wish to dominate because I see them as shallow and inferior on a spiritual level. I wouldn't normally say this to someone but since you claim to be a proud sociopath I'm assuming you won't take offense. :wink: I just don't "get" sociopaths to the degree that I almost view them as objects since I can't relate to their basic emotional drive.


I think it may be impossible to understand. You should rather "know" it. Its how the machine operates I ll say. Even I was about 2 years old, I was deliberately pissing on carpets and throwing out valuable stuff from window. It demonstrates how the experimenting, limit pushing and surprising acts are well present in that age. I dont think I did those things as part of a plan or sth. Its an instinctive urge. Its a style.

I think sociopaths are great survivors. They are lean and mean. And most importantly, they care about themselves ALOT, therefore safety is very important to them. And of course I am a proud sociopath. I am proud of everything about me but of course I dont expose this in every situation. Its something you should be surprised about or laugh about. But not critisize.



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Though I've been accused of being self-centered I've never viewed people as not having emotions or being objects. I think that's a misconception of autism. Maybe I thought that way as a 2 year old but beyond that age I have clear memories and I was definitely aware that people were people. I was just more interested in my own activities and obsessions than in socializing on other people's terms.


First of all let me clarify this: I dont see people as inanimate stunts. Of course I am aware they have feelings and ideals. But I just dont care about those. Caring for anybody simply doesnt benefit me so I dont care. I think and act as self-benefit oriented. You can continue feeling contempt but its very natural for me to feel offended. You are judging me or hating me for something I didnt want to be. You can hate rats just because they are rats but you shouldnt tell that to me cuz I can understand what you say. And your feeling contempt doesnt add anything to the argument. Its just your sheerly private "thing".


I never said I hate you. I don't know you enough to hate you. I just said I feel contempt (not hatred) for people who's only purpose in life is to get the better of others. I can't control that feeling any more than you can control the things you feel. Also, being self-benefit oriented isn't something that bothers me as I think everyone is that way. Different people just use different means, even a feeling of pure altruism has a psychological benefit to those who experience it. It's the need to push others down to benefit yourself psychologically that I feel some contempt for. I'm not going to lie and say I don't just to spare your feelings. Since you're being completely open and honest I think I have the right to be as well.