Autistic Girl Kicked out of Girl Scouts
That's always a hard thing - as a parent of a spectrum kid and as someone on the spectrum I've seen it from both sides. At the risk of sounding particularly harsh, the world on the whole really doesn't give a damn about your "special needs." If you can fit in, you'll fit in. If you cannot, you will not. There will be some adults, and the occasional child, who will be warm and receptive to a child who is "not normal" - but they're few and far between, from my experience. There are a lot more who will play lip-service to the concept because it's socially the PC thing to do, but it's pretty much artificial and cannot be relied upon for any substantial support unless it serves their interests. The older the child, from my experience, the less empathetic reactions you'll encounter.
There are some very artificial settings (schools, for example) where there is a legislative mandate that says they have to "help" you fit in. They get funded to do that. Once there's not a carrot or a stick involved, a special needs kid is pretty much on their own "out there". Hence, my almost constant warning to parents to try to toughen their kids up at least a little. Rejection is real and it will happen, and if a child (any child, "special" or not) hasn't had to deal with it by the time they hit adolescence, the storm they'll then wander into will just shred them. It sucks, but that's life. It's hard enough being spectrum without wandering into that unawares. Prepare your kids. We can debate how "fair" (life? fair? surely you jest!), or "right" or what "ought to be" until we're all old and grey (ok, greyer). And guess what?
This is by far the best post I've ever read on these forums. Very practical and realistic take.....Thanks.
Scouts has a national policy against discrimination? Come again? Don't they famously not let gays in? Or... are lesbians welcome to be girl scouts?
lesbians? yeah, they're welcome. half the girls in my own troop (before it broke up) were bi or lesbian.
anyway, the second troop was so stupid to kick Magi out. it was her first time in a new situation and she's completely non-verbal so she wouldn't have had much of an idea of what was going to happen. episodes like that aren't her fault, she can't control them. if it was so terrible, why did they kick her out. and if there is a no discrimination policy, why was there a different troop for those four girls with the physical disabilities?
Why is it that often people with Autistic traits are sometimes looked at as being less capable of being part of some social institution.Anyways, I can recall how when I was much younger and I was part of Boy Scout but, really never seem to cach on with things and all and simply after 2 years finally gave it up.. Personally, I don't feel anyone should be discriminated against regardless no matter whom is it or what organization,business,etc. I conclude by saying, may the young girl find something that is less troublesome that makes her feel less human.
Do we know for sure that the first troop was oversized? If so, why was the little girl asked to leave and not someone else?
Wait, from what I understand, the LFA-girl was not forced to leave her original troop by the troop leaders. Did not her parents make the decision to leave the original troop, known as the "2 year troop"?
And her parents also made the decision to sign her up for the "disability-troop", am I right?
The question, from where I stand, is who, acting on behalf of the girl, decided that the girl should leave the "original troop"?
But when Magi's Brownie troop grew too large and her parents moved her to a smaller one for children with special needs-ABC news
Ok, I rest my case. The parents moved her from, what we like to call, the "Brownie troop".
Since everything was fine when she attended the "Brownie troop", I suggest that her parents put her back in that troop.
I ask myself, why did the parents move her from the Brownie troop in the first place? Because the troop got to large? Seems like a strange reason for moving her, especially since she seemed happy there.
But if someone is capable of achieving higher education and living independantly, then is it really in their best interest for their parents to constantly shelter them?
"They'll be bullied in regular education, better put them in special ed."
"Higher education and getting a job will be too hard for them, better set them up with welfare."
"Why should I teach them how to cook and do laundry? They'll end up in a group home anyways."
And yes, I HAVE met parents of AS people who are exactly like this. The adults with AS that I've met who didn't have parents like this are able to function. The ones who do have parents like this are not able to function.
When I hear people say things like this, I can't help but think that these are the statements from someone with real world responsibilities envious of those who are sheltered. If someone is sheltered, they can choose to be independent or not. People who never get those options, instead of admitting they would have liked them, instead claim that the people who are treated kindly and get those options didn't have parents who made them have to cope, like they had to. So that those people are missing out on more, or are less functional than the people who's parents just let things happen to their child.
When someone doesn't like having to live in their functional world, and all the pressures, seems they like to take it out on the people who don't have to. Rather than admit it's a life they'd perfer, instead they say something is wrong with the life that the sheltered person leads to make themselves feel better.
Katie_WPG
Velociraptor
Joined: 7 Sep 2008
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 492
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
But if someone is capable of achieving higher education and living independantly, then is it really in their best interest for their parents to constantly shelter them?
"They'll be bullied in regular education, better put them in special ed."
"Higher education and getting a job will be too hard for them, better set them up with welfare."
"Why should I teach them how to cook and do laundry? They'll end up in a group home anyways."
And yes, I HAVE met parents of AS people who are exactly like this. The adults with AS that I've met who didn't have parents like this are able to function. The ones who do have parents like this are not able to function.
When I hear people say things like this, I can't help but think that these are the statements from someone with real world responsibilities envious of those who are sheltered. If someone is sheltered, they can choose to be independent or not. People who never get those options, instead of admitting they would have liked them, instead claim that the people who are treated kindly and get those options didn't have parents who made them have to cope, like they had to. So that those people are missing out on more, or are less functional than the people who's parents just let things happen to their child.
When someone doesn't like having to live in their functional world, and all the pressures, seems they like to take it out on the people who don't have to. Rather than admit it's a life they'd perfer, instead they say something is wrong with the life that the sheltered person leads to make themselves feel better.
I've seen first hand what that kind of attitude can do to a person, okay. My cousin who is mildy physically disabled was sheltered his entire life by his mother, and now that she's dead, he's at the mercy of the state. We try and help him as much as possible, but his future is kind of out of his hands. They've encouraged him to claim mental incompetency. He actually DOESN'T have a choice, as he has no source of working income. So much for that assumption.
Do you think he feels overjoyed at this situation he's in? No friends, no work experience, with the possibility of having to be moved to a group home against his will? It's a scary situation, for anybody. These people with AS who have been raised the same way, what happens when their parents die? They'll probably go through the same thing. Anything to avoid THAT kind of fate is a plus, in my book.
I was in Girl Scouts from 10-12 and I enjoyed it greatly. I still have my sash and pins. I hope to lead a Girl Scout troop someday.
_________________
"Support, love, and acceptance"
http://www.myspace.com/tlcoopi7 My MySpace Profile
http://www.facebook.com/tlcoopi7 My Facebook Profile
But if someone is capable of achieving higher education and living independantly, then is it really in their best interest for their parents to constantly shelter them?
"They'll be bullied in regular education, better put them in special ed."
"Higher education and getting a job will be too hard for them, better set them up with welfare."
"Why should I teach them how to cook and do laundry? They'll end up in a group home anyways."
And yes, I HAVE met parents of AS people who are exactly like this. The adults with AS that I've met who didn't have parents like this are able to function. The ones who do have parents like this are not able to function.
When I hear people say things like this, I can't help but think that these are the statements from someone with real world responsibilities envious of those who are sheltered. If someone is sheltered, they can choose to be independent or not. People who never get those options, instead of admitting they would have liked them, instead claim that the people who are treated kindly and get those options didn't have parents who made them have to cope, like they had to. So that those people are missing out on more, or are less functional than the people who's parents just let things happen to their child.
When someone doesn't like having to live in their functional world, and all the pressures, seems they like to take it out on the people who don't have to. Rather than admit it's a life they'd perfer, instead they say something is wrong with the life that the sheltered person leads to make themselves feel better.
I've seen first hand what that kind of attitude can do to a person, okay. My cousin who is mildy physically disabled was sheltered his entire life by his mother, and now that she's dead, he's at the mercy of the state. We try and help him as much as possible, but his future is kind of out of his hands. They've encouraged him to claim mental incompetency. He actually DOESN'T have a choice, as he has no source of working income. So much for that assumption.
Do you think he feels overjoyed at this situation he's in? No friends, no work experience, with the possibility of having to be moved to a group home against his will? It's a scary situation, for anybody. These people with AS who have been raised the same way, what happens when their parents die? They'll probably go through the same thing. Anything to avoid THAT kind of fate is a plus, in my book.
Is that really a fault of his or his mother's, or the fault of our country in not knowing how else to regard Neurodiverse people, other than to warehouse them?
I have had a discussion about this with my parents, and we decided I'd end up living in an assisted living arrangement after they pass on. Perhaps the problem was a lack of discussion before the parents died, and seeing to it that your cousin was taken care of properly.
Kasuki-Chan
Veteran
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,483
Location: in the Akatsuki hideout bugging cousin Itachi-san
i quit girlscou8ts, they wouldn't let me go to the next level, they never said why...
_________________
"my art will leave scars in the earth like nothing before it, show me your fear! cry like a lost child!because my art... is a BLAST!" ~Deidara~ R.I.P
"this is my kekkai genkai!" ~Kimimaro~R.I.P
TEAM HD3H, NEMESIS OF DELOREANDUDE!
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
I might get kicked out. |
Yesterday, 11:38 pm |
A counterpoint to Autistic Supremacy? Autistic Inferiority? |
26 Feb 2024, 1:46 pm |
Handbook for autistic-autistic social interactions |
08 Feb 2024, 1:31 pm |
Being gay vs autistic! |
04 Apr 2024, 12:54 am |