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14 Apr 2009, 10:45 am

As with everything a generalisation is just that. Just because 100 short people don't like people taller than themselves, does not mean the 101st person will. And besides height is all realtive anyhow.

If a girl or guy has a hangup about their height it is THEIR problem. It doesn't mean the next one will. I am sure that your direct gaze or poor body language of voice prosody has more to do with lack of girlfriend/boyfriend than what ever heigh you may or may not posess.

Hell, I'm 6'4", can speak english et parlez français (study still progressing though). Almost graduated university (45 credit points to go), only earn 55k a year but I do partially (along with a bank) own a house, drive a convertible (sweet ass sports car), and can dance (been swing dancing for 3 years, and have even done performances on stage with a troup).... and I've NEVER had a girlfriend.

so to end the discussion, HEIGHT largely has NOTHING to do with it. It's all about social skills. Hell a guy from high school that I ran into recently is 5'2" and married with two kids. SO THERE YOU GO.

Short people (i.e. those below 5'10" (census average for here in Australia) who b***h about their heigh being the defining reason why they can't get a girlfriend annoy the hell out of me too, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

(oh along with that superficial list of stuff that women "apparently" like I am a socially awkward guy who stares too much, talks monotonously, and doesn't like physical contact with other human beings. so yeah, perfect candidate for an example)



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14 Apr 2009, 2:55 pm

theres nothig wrong with being short, some women really like that. and personally i'd rather be short. being avaerage height is lame



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14 Apr 2009, 3:41 pm

Being tall isn't all that it's cracked up to be. I'm 6' 7" and I've never had a girlfriend.

I tried taking some kung fu classes at one point. It really sucked. The sifu/sensei/self righteous homo always used me as an example because I was the biggest. It got old real fast. I've never been able to stand the self righteous jerks who are into martial arts ever since. I'll just carry a gun from now on. 8)


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14 Apr 2009, 5:02 pm

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Given this, when women say they they don't care about height in man - I believe them. I really don't care about breast size. If the girl is happy with what she has, I'm happy. What I don't want is to hear her whine on and on about the size of her boobs.



I am sure some statistic would say otherwise.



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14 Apr 2009, 5:21 pm

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^^ night clubs are full of bullies and jerks of all sizes, they aren't a good representative sample of population...

Even I got picked on several times by guys of different sizes in night clubs , should I say that the taller picked me on because I am shorter than him?
It's more or less highly social situations that were where problems happened. In this context, it wasn't specifically that he was picked on, but that some people are more likely to try to pick a fight with him than anyone else. They weren't necessarily little by most standards, probably normal size, or maybe even larger. But they did have a chip on their shoulder and something to prove, which is why they were combative.
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Besides, a short guy usually would avoid to mess up with a taller guy because he would most probably got beaten up. Why putting himself in such risk?
In terms of social status, it's a win-win for the smaller (keep in mind smaller could still be average height/weight) guy. If he "looses", it's o.k. because he was beaten by someone stronger/bigger than he was, so at least he's tough, and if he "wins", then not only is he tough but he's also really strong because he beat someone bigger than him.

In terms of a flat out fight, or similar, yes, a smaller guy will almost certainly get creamed or worse all things being equal, but larger people generally have to hold back, especially in the eyes of the law, and people will try to use this to their advantage in terms of social recognition.



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14 Apr 2009, 5:24 pm

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solinoure wrote:
Given this, when women say they they don't care about height in man - I believe them. I really don't care about breast size. If the girl is happy with what she has, I'm happy. What I don't want is to hear her whine on and on about the size of her boobs.



I am sure some statistic would say otherwise.


Huh? What? What you have quoted is all my oppinion. I seriously doublt you can find any statistic that what my oppinion is, is anything other than what I say it is.

But go ahead, find me a statistic that says that I actually don't believe it when women say they don't care about women's male hight preference.

I would be amused if you can find a statistic that shows I do care about breast size. (I suppose that I sort of do. I suppose that I would take exception to extreem outliers in breast size. But given that I have dated pretty far to both extreems it would be a trick to find ones that were objectionable in size for me.)

Likewise, if you could find a statistic that says that I am not happy with a girls breast size if she is, or contrarywize that I am only happy with a girl's breasts if she complains about them all the time.

But, in truth, I jest, in all seriousness I don't think the quote you are objecting to on statistical grounds is the one you are actually objecting to. Try again - or show me the statistic that show that the oppinion I hold isn't the opinion I hold. Wait a second... you aren't calling me a liar are you? Themz iz fighten werds... LOL ;)


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14 Apr 2009, 5:35 pm

I have always found shorter men more appealing than very tall men, so yes, some women will date you. It depends on her preference. Some women won't think of dating a guy shorter than her yet others will. I have several close friends whose wives are taller than they are.



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15 Apr 2009, 4:32 am

To be honest, I have never met a tall guy who's complaining about his height other than you two. And I have never met a short guy who would risk to put himself in an embarrassing situation by challenging very tall guys like you.

Maku, let's say that 20 guys bullied you during your entire life , 10 of them are shorter and 10 of the are taller , do all those 10 shorter guys challenged you because they want they are insecure of their height while the 10 taller guys did it because they're just mean?



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15 Apr 2009, 10:55 am

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I had a therapist who explained to me that the height of a man was analogus to the bust of a woman.
The obsessions, the insecurities, everything were the same. Smaller breasted women had the same mental issues over their breast size as short men over their height and likewise with larger breasted women and tall men.

Given this, when women say they they don't care about height in man - I believe them. I really don't care about breast size. If the girl is happy with what she has, I'm happy. What I don't want is to hear her whine on and on about the size of her boobs.


QFT. The worst is when they try to shift all the blame on you, when instead of 'I'm unhappy with my bust size' or 'Other people criticise my breasts' it's 'You must be unhappy with my breasts because I say so, therefore I'm unhappy (and it's all your fault)' I don't know if that sort of attitude is common among short men.
This was a significant factor in the breakup with my ex.


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15 Apr 2009, 10:57 am

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15 Apr 2009, 8:06 pm

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To be honest, I have never met a tall guy who's complaining about his height other than you two. And I have never met a short guy who would risk to put himself in an embarrassing situation by challenging very tall guys like you.

Maku, let's say that 20 guys bullied you during your entire life , 10 of them are shorter and 10 of the are taller , do all those 10 shorter guys challenged you because they want they are insecure of their height while the 10 taller guys did it because they're just mean?


I don't know if this is directed at me. But I quite like being 6'5". Allows you to see stuff from far away, and over the heads of the crowd so I don't have to be in it very long. Slightly annoying finding clothing, but all in all it is a very nice functional quality to have. Especially the seeing over people thing.

The point I was making, and probably GoatOnFire as well before getting slightly side tracked is that being tall is not a guarantee of success. Largely (and as long as your within normal range) height isn't a deal breaker. On the other hand it isn't a deal sealer either.

If you got crap social skills and other "awkwaardnesses" then your just as likely to be alone at 6'+ as you are at 5'0"



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15 Apr 2009, 8:36 pm

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... and being the same height (and of broad build),


Do you have the same problem I have? For the most part, I'm too tall for the regular size clothes stores and too short for the big and tall size clothes stores. I have to search the margins of both to find stuff to wear. bleh.


Constantly. Very disproportionate shoulder to waist, so what fits the shoulders hangs on the rest of me and the arms are never long enough. If I were to get a tailored shirt, I think the measurements were 18, 38/39 - kind of a pain.

LPP - I can only speak for myself, but I don't believe at -any- time in this conversation (or another, that matter), have I generalized and said that this was indicative of all short people, or referred to "you short people" - I've been careful to mention that these are people I've met, who have created confrontation, without other apparent cause - and at times, later explanation from them or others. So we're both talking about experience - it's ok that they aren't the same, or have I missed a memo somewhere? And no - one of the worst bullies I faced in my life was bigger than I was then, or even now. It does not correlate that all short people are bullies - false syllogism on your part, methinks.


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15 Apr 2009, 9:29 pm

^ Umm.... I made the "you short people" comment when I was ranting about the difficulties that come with being tall... I just wanted to enfasize that it ain't all great being tall, but there are benefits too... like that being able to look out over a crowd thing...

I'm sorry if this was inapropriate or offensive. I was ranting a bit and I hope that you will indulge me a bit of "poetic" license.

Many of my best friends were short. Some had short man issues, some did not. The ones that didn't have short man issues never seemed short to me though (even though they were) - to the point that in my mind they were as tall or taller than men actually taller than them.


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15 Apr 2009, 10:25 pm

Appreciate the clarification... and I'm not saying that there aren't advantages - to either extreme, really - but also a lot of things that are taken for granted for most people.

LPP - again, you're assuming that your experience is the only one here... you seek to invalidate the experience of two people simply because you cannot envision the situations? I've stated before - it is insecurity that tends to drive violence, and that these are situations where there was no other explanation other than proving oneself by taking on a larger man. Bigger guys can be incredibly insecure as well; there's no monopoly there for those under a certain threshold.


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16 Apr 2009, 6:03 am

[quote="LePetitPrince"]^^ night clubs are full of bullies and jerks of all sizes, they aren't a good representative sample of population...

Even I got picked on several times by guys of different sizes in night clubs , should I say that the taller picked me on because I am shorter than him?

That doesn't make sense.

Besides, a short guy usually would avoid to mess up with a taller guy because he would most probably got beaten up. Why putting himself in such risk?[/quote]

hate to break it to you but the nightclub crowd isnt exactly a fringe community(quite the opposite actually), but rather an eclectic mix of folks. most the people there are people who get tired going to house parties that constantly get busted, or are lookin to socialise with a new group of people. most people my age go out to the clubs, so i guess the people that dont go out to the clubs(the vast majority of WP) would be a bad representation of the general population?

as for some of your other post in this thread, i think you know your spewing utter nonsense, no one could possibly be that dillusional. why would a short guy mess with a tall guy? it simple really, hes insecure and he feels threatened. just because something is counter logic does not make it false, your approach is over simplistic.

i cant relate to those with freak height, but im a well muscled 5'9-5'10 230lbs male and the way other guys can act around me is weird. its not unusual for me to walk into a gas station and notice guys puffing there chest out and flaring there lats as if there carrying an imaginary brief case. i thought i was crazy at first until my buddies confirmed it. i know of alot of bodybuilders with similar stories to.

IMO, humans are just competive and insecure(not just guys either). thats the take home.