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misslottie
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04 May 2009, 7:01 am

thought i have the common a.s trait of poor anyalysis generally, i also seem to have little ability to analysise some time of moving information,a nd wonder if this is related.

i used to be massivly into football, and it was only in my early 30s that i realsied that other people could actually see who had the ball, and even which foot they kicked it with, just by watching.

obviously i could see these things once it was shown on a slow replay on tv, but otherwise, or at a match, it was incomprehensible.

i am really slow at telling the time, and sometimes poor at judging distances (walk into door handles etc occasionally).

is this startelling inability to processs moving information rapidly due to a.s, or am i just a bit rubbish (always an option)?? :lol: i see moving cars ok, so it does not apply to everything. though they are quite large. and close...

is this a.s??



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04 May 2009, 7:37 am

I know I am slow at identifying things especially moving I studiously avoid all games involving those horrible spherical things that people kick, throw or catch :)


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04 May 2009, 7:55 am

misslottie wrote:
thought i have the common a.s trait of poor anyalysis generally, i also seem to have little ability to analysise some time of moving information,a nd wonder if this is related.

i used to be massivly into football, and it was only in my early 30s that i realsied that other people could actually see who had the ball, and even which foot they kicked it with, just by watching.

obviously i could see these things once it was shown on a slow replay on tv, but otherwise, or at a match, it was incomprehensible.

i am really slow at telling the time, and sometimes poor at judging distances (walk into door handles etc occasionally).

is this startelling inability to processs moving information rapidly due to a.s, or am i just a bit rubbish (always an option)?? :lol: i see moving cars ok, so it does not apply to everything. though they are quite large. and close...

is this a.s??


I noticed you are undiagnosed.
From what I know people with AS in its more "pure" form does not have visua-spatial deficits, in fact many excell at such things. Generally speaking everything you are mentioning are Nonverbal Learning Disorder traits. At the heart of NLD, and what distinguishes it from AS is a group of visua-spatial deficits, two of which you have mentioned, motion tracking and spatial judgement. The fact is though, having a "pure" form of AS is uncommon, nor is there a "pure" form of NLD. There is quite a bit of crossover between the two. Which means somebody with AS may pick up one or two NLD "traits", such as distant judging and spatial judgement. But the visua-spatial deficits in general, are identified NLD deficits, not AS traits.



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04 May 2009, 9:58 am

thank you both.

that is very interesting about NLD. though im officially undiagnosed, im unoficially diagnosed a.s (by two experts, one an expert in neurological disorders, whom one would expect to have a working knowledge of NLD- i just am having beurocratic trouble getting an a.s test arranged).

ive never considered myself clumsy, and have unusually good balance (-related to toe walking as a chlid)?
on reflection, i think its more related to not seeing things- as in- i can leave things on the floor for ages and not be bothered by it as i dont see them, but notice if i move my monitor an inch to the left kind of way. some kind of filtering- absorbed in other things, esp when wearing headphones.

i dont think i can be NLD; rote meory is poor, my reading comprehension high, excellent visual recall (100% in some college students psych tests), and excellent co-ordination (rowing, dancing, fencing, swimming, running all v.gd).
i think im just too 'in a world of my own'.



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04 May 2009, 2:18 pm

misslottie wrote:
thank you both.

that is very interesting about NLD. though im officially undiagnosed, im unoficially diagnosed a.s (by two experts, one an expert in neurological disorders, whom one would expect to have a working knowledge of NLD- i just am having beurocratic trouble getting an a.s test arranged).

ive never considered myself clumsy, and have unusually good balance (-related to toe walking as a chlid)?
on reflection, i think its more related to not seeing things- as in- i can leave things on the floor for ages and not be bothered by it as i dont see them, but notice if i move my monitor an inch to the left kind of way. some kind of filtering- absorbed in other things, esp when wearing headphones.

i dont think i can be NLD; rote meory is poor, my reading comprehension high, excellent visual recall (100% in some college students psych tests), and excellent co-ordination (rowing, dancing, fencing, swimming, running all v.gd).
i think im just too 'in a world of my own'.


By the way, you don't need to exhibit all of the features of NLD to have NLD, and like most disorders that fall into a spectrum, you may only exhibit a handful of traits. There are plenty of people with NLD with good reading comprehension who do not have motor or balance difficulties for example. They may just lack the ability to read body language, or like you, have visua-spatial issues. (By the way the "not seeing things" is generally a red flag that NLD is present. The way you write is kind of a red flag too.)

Also things like difficulty with reading comprehension fade as one grows older and learns more, it may have been difficult at one point, but the difficulty may disappear. This was the case with me. I had reading comprehension issues until I was 10, than the issue faded.
Everybody who is on the spectrum is unique and manifestations can vary quite a bit.
Though not having good rote memory is a bit odd if you have AS or NLD.

I would not rule out having something because you do not fit the diagnostic description perfectly.

Also with regards to the neurological specialist not catching the NLD, the only way to catch it is through testing. Remember, about 50-80% of people with AS, also have some form of NLD. Co-morribund conditions are not uncommon for those on the spectrum. Just because you are not clumsy, or have poor rote memory, have good visual recall, and good motor skills, does not mean you do not meet the criteria. You still have some manifestation of NLD.



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04 May 2009, 7:51 pm

I'm inclined to think that NLD might be no more than a particular skills/deficit profile of some people on the Autism spectrum.

I have trouble with processing visual information. I can look right at something I am looking for, and fail to recognize it. I could not catch small objects until late in my twenties (I could catch a larger size ball but not very reliably). I have poor visual recall, and need longer looking at things in order to make sense of them, than do people around me.



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04 May 2009, 8:03 pm

I think a lot of people like us may (incorrectly) attribute physical short comings and traits to being caused by something autistic. The problem is that we have become so removed from from what is "really" happening, that we are not sure what is caused by the autism and what is just a genetic or physical trait.

As for observation, in certain situations I myself have very astute and interesting skills. Like you'll be able to watch, almost in slo-motion, as a bird flies from a building to another. Or in situations you'll be able to see a large group of people (something that regular people would call a 'crowd'), and see each single individual. I find this atribute facinating myself, it has only started happening to me recently.



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05 May 2009, 2:38 pm

pandd wrote:
I'm inclined to think that NLD might be no more than a particular skills/deficit profile of some people on the Autism spectrum.

I have trouble with processing visual information. I can look right at something I am looking for, and fail to recognize it. I could not catch small objects until late in my twenties (I could catch a larger size ball but not very reliably). I have poor visual recall, and need longer looking at things in order to make sense of them, than do people around me.


This sounds just like me.