Aspergers and above average IQ

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Sadly I have a negative IQ. I actually have no brain aka "Anencephaly" but I have a less severe version of it, normally when you have this your skull doesn't develop normally. Its a common "human" condition, affecting nearly everyone. Their driving skills proves this. I tried looking for intelligent life on this planet, but couldn't find any. My skull is empty! I've had countless MRI's to prove this. I wish so much that I have a brain, but have no proof. And all my IQ tests were horrible!! 99% of them scored in the Borderline Intellectual Functioning range, otherwise known as BIF. I do nothing that proves I have a higher IQ than that. I can barely do simple math, know little about science, history, or any other subject that requires a brain. Yes, I could read around 3 years of age, but that was due to Hyperlexia. Reading words blindly has nothing to do with intelligence. I mean I didn't understand what I read until a few years ago, and only medical and current events type stuff. Very limited. I can't even read a preschool level book because it is fiction. I was never able to read novels and understand them, but yet I can read medical stuff (mainly psychology) with ease. In fact, to prove that I have the worlds best psychology knowledge (no, not a grandiose delusion!! !) many previous therapists/ psychologists I have been to said my medical knowledge surpasses theirs!! And I never took a single class on it, all self taught! Psychology is the easiest medical field there is, and since I experienced nearly everything in the DSM IV, including the Evil Scary Schizophrenia ({well actually schizoaffective disorder}don't agree with this diagnosis though because I am not psychotic! Just plain neurosis at work!) and the so called "rare" DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder aka Multiple personality disorder) but that actually happens in 1 in 100 cases, unlike what other people might say (they say its much rarer than schizophrenia but it actually happens both in 1 in 100 cases, believe it or not!) of course I have Autism as well, but not Asperger's. That is because I had the speech delay, which would eliminate the diagnosis of Asperger's. I didn't start truly speaking until I was 7. I don't have schizoaffective disorder because first of all, I hardly ever hear voices or other auditory hallucinations, no delusions (even though from the outside it looks as if I have at LEAST 6 different types, what they don't get is its all real!) don't have disorganized speech anymore (it used to be a problem), no disorganized or catatonic behavior, and the only "negative" symptom I experience is similar to depression. Oh where was I going with this?? What does this have to do with an.. IQ??? As one of my favorite shirts says, "I took an IQ test and the results were negative." If only I had a brain. I know all about ONE subject, but nothing about anything else. I am an idiot savant. Oh yeah, I can draw. 10 % of autistics have a savant like talent, compared to less than 1% of the general population. There is no population where I live, far away from "human" population in the year 1809, 200 years behind the cities. Cow population 200 MILLION, "human" population...you. I mean to prove this isn't a delusion of the bizarre type, when I first mooooved here in 1800 (2000 in cities or technologically advanced areas) cable TV hasn't been invented yet, and it took ages for high speed Internet to reach my house! And in some areas, electricity hasn't been invented yet! Cars are known as "Time machines" to tansport me and my family (or other "people") to the "future." When I reach a city, I say, "oh, that's what 2009 is supposed to look like!" Seriously, the newspaper out here mainly covers cows getting loose. Yes, they are going to infect everyone out here with Mad Cow Disease! I'm soooo old! I mean chronologically 26, but feel like 500 million. I remember the dinosaurs! OK, now I'm officially confused. Gotta go to sleep now, its past midnight.

I got the impression that the social impairment in autism is still largely different from that of someone with mild/moderate MR.

Exactly. MR occurring without other known conditions such as autism is common. If MR generally occurred with autism-specific social impairments, a very large percentage with MR would likely meet some PDD diagnosis, which is not the case.

Another source of confusion arises from the terms low-functioning autism, high-functioning autism, and Asperger's. The validity of AS as a separate condition from autism has yet to be established, and it seems some people are assuming the social deficits in autism are related to MR and are qualitatively different to those in AS (and those classed as HFA seem to have been overlooked in this). They may have different expressions, but they are based upon the same criteria. The expression of the social impairment in relatively high-functioning autistics can also be mitigated by intellect and language, but it is still autism-specific social impairment.

The division of the spectrum between HFA and LFA categories also has questionable validity due to the difficulties measuring IQ in autistics, the highly scattered profiles of individuals, and changes in IQ throughout individual development, which relates to what KingdomOfRats said. As a result, the percentage of autistics with MR varies widely between studies.

I often read on this forum about how those with Aspergers Syndrome have above average to high IQ's. This argument is often used by 'aspie elitists' to defend their position. someone in PPR has just asked the question wheres the proof. So I had a quick search around and came up empty. As General seems to be a bastion for this belief I was wondering if any of you can provide evidence for this belief? Until this morning I also accepted this as true.

However, it IS entirely possible for someone to lack social skills due to mental retardation that has nothing to do with ASDs. Not in the same way that people with Asperger's or High-functioning Kanner's lack social skills. But they still behave in socially inappropriate ways, nonetheless. My original post was refering to people who lack social skills that are not autism-specific.

An example of this would be something like, if a person with general MR, Down's Syndrome, or FAS started masturbating in public. Or hugging strangers. Or wiping their snot on people. Of course, many of the socially inappropriate behaviours are on the more extreme side than the behaviours of someone with a high-functioning ASD.

I've had my kid tested at ages 4, 6, and 8, and the result was the same: an extemely high verbal IQ and an average preformance IQ, resulting in a full scale IQ of 125. The following are my scores.:
Verbal IQ 145; Performance IQ, 98; Full Scale IQ, 120---the schools gave me the test twice when I was nine, with comment "the gap between intellect and ability must cause considerable daily frustration." And how! The gap between verabal and performance seem to be an indicator of AS or NVLD or somehting that ain't NT. Even if the full scale IQ is high or very high, the brain doctors see this as a red flag.

Sadly I have a negative IQ. I actually have no brain aka "Anencephaly" but I have a less severe version of it, normally when you have this your skull doesn't develop normally. Its a common "human" condition, affecting nearly everyone. Their driving skills proves this. I tried looking for intelligent life on this planet, but couldn't find any. My skull is empty! I've had countless MRI's to prove this. I wish so much that I have a brain, but have no proof. And all my IQ tests were horrible!! 99% of them scored in the Borderline Intellectual Functioning range, otherwise known as BIF. I do nothing that proves I have a higher IQ than that. I can barely do simple math, know little about science, history, or any other subject that requires a brain. Yes, I could read around 3 years of age, but that was due to Hyperlexia. Reading words blindly has nothing to do with intelligence. I mean I didn't understand what I read until a few years ago, and only medical and current events type stuff. Very limited. I can't even read a preschool level book because it is fiction. I was never able to read novels and understand them, but yet I can read medical stuff (mainly psychology) with ease. In fact, to prove that I have the worlds best psychology knowledge (no, not a grandiose delusion!! !) many previous therapists/ psychologists I have been to said my medical knowledge surpasses theirs!! And I never took a single class on it, all self taught! Psychology is the easiest medical field there is, and since I experienced nearly everything in the DSM IV, including the Evil Scary Schizophrenia ({well actually schizoaffective disorder}don't agree with this diagnosis though because I am not psychotic! Just plain neurosis at work!) and the so called "rare" DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder aka Multiple personality disorder) but that actually happens in 1 in 100 cases, unlike what other people might say (they say its much rarer than schizophrenia but it actually happens both in 1 in 100 cases, believe it or not!) of course I have Autism as well, but not Asperger's. That is because I had the speech delay, which would eliminate the diagnosis of Asperger's. I didn't start truly speaking until I was 7. I don't have schizoaffective disorder because first of all, I hardly ever hear voices or other auditory hallucinations, no delusions (even though from the outside it looks as if I have at LEAST 6 different types, what they don't get is its all real!) don't have disorganized speech anymore (it used to be a problem), no disorganized or catatonic behavior, and the only "negative" symptom I experience is similar to depression. Oh where was I going with this?? What does this have to do with an.. IQ??? As one of my favorite shirts says, "I took an IQ test and the results were negative." If only I had a brain. I know all about ONE subject, but nothing about anything else. I am an idiot savant. Oh yeah, I can draw. 10 % of autistics have a savant like talent, compared to less than 1% of the general population. There is no population where I live, far away from "human" population in the year 1809, 200 years behind the cities. Cow population 200 MILLION, "human" population...you. I mean to prove this isn't a delusion of the bizarre type, when I first mooooved here in 1800 (2000 in cities or technologically advanced areas) cable TV hasn't been invented yet, and it took ages for high speed Internet to reach my house! And in some areas, electricity hasn't been invented yet! Cars are known as "Time machines" to tansport me and my family (or other "people") to the "future." When I reach a city, I say, "oh, that's what 2009 is supposed to look like!" Seriously, the newspaper out here mainly covers cows getting loose. Yes, they are going to infect everyone out here with Mad Cow Disease! I'm soooo old! I mean chronologically 26, but feel like 500 million. I remember the dinosaurs! OK, now I'm officially confused. Gotta go to sleep now, its past midnight.

I was wondering if any of you can provide evidence for this belief? Until this morning I also accepted this as true.

simplified example of this:

assigning a score related to the IQ

below 85 ....... 1
85 to 100 ....... 2
101 to 115 ....... 3
above 116 ....... 4

average score: 2.5

now assigning a score related to the IQ for aspergers (and thus excluding the <85 group according to the ICD-10)

85 to 100 ....... 2
101 to 115 ....... 3
above 116 ....... 4

average score: 3



there's the proof.

I would like to point out that there is no standard definition of "average IQ." Some say 95 to 105, some say 90 to 110, some say 70 to 130.

Standardization
The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90. An extension of the standardization has been conducted with 688 Canadians in the same age range. The median Full Scale IQ is centered at 100, with a standard deviation of 15. In a normal distribution, the IQ range of one standard deviation above and below the mean (i.e, between 85 and 115) is where approximately 68% of all adults would fall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_A ... ence_Scale

not entirely true... at least not when WAIS tests are involved: