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PunkyMom
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 Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: Nervy lawsuit against William Freund's family. |
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I cannot believe the family of slain victims of Vernon and Christina Smith have the nerve to file a lawsuit against the Fruend family because their son William, who is over 18, an adult, shot them.
The Smiths also want to sue this support group, and the gun supplier. The gun supplier did an extensive background check on William, and it came up clean. The gun supplier followed the laws to issuing a gun.
If anyone remembers, William Freund of Santa Ana CA shot and killed Vernon and Christina Smith in their homes awhile ago. He later killed himself.
I feel very bad for the Smith family, but what does this lawsuit going to prove? Why should the parents of an adult be held financially responsible?
I have always heard the argument, "Lawsuits are not for financial gain, but to teach a valuable lesson and liablility" What lesson? Many parents, especially ones with children of special needs, work very hard to help their children and teach them responsibilities. Was Freunds parents supposed to monitor him 24/7? No. It's impossible. The parent's have lives too.
Studies even prove that people with Aspbergers are non-violent. They are more emotional, but not violent.
I think it's sickening and the Smith family should be ashamed of themselves for trying to profit off the deaths of their family members. The Smiths are vindictive, selfish people.
It should have never happened, but it is NOT the fault of the parents.
No one knows what went on inside William's mind on the day he killed the Smiths, but the surviving Smith family needs to find other outlets to grieve. Attempting to fill their pocketbooks with money is NOT going to bring back Vernon or Christina. |
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SteelMaiden
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Sick people they are. 
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MrMark
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Yes, that's unfortunate.
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walk-in-the-rain
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| The lesson they want to teach is fear of people on the spectrum and to try and ban them from speaking together unsupervised by "neurotypicals". I wonder if they are going to be getting together with the curebie groups soon if they are not allready. |
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jman
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| walk-in-the-rain wrote: | | The lesson they want to teach is fear of people on the spectrum and to try and ban them from speaking together unsupervised by "neurotypicals". I wonder if they are going to be getting together with the curebie groups soon if they are not allready. |
Technically they can't do that... first amendment
But this is total bullsit, this case will be thrown out for sure. Nobody really did anything wrong here except for the killer himself. These selfish people have no leg to stand on. |
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TheMachine1
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Yeah I do not know anything about the case or the law in that state. Forexample
your not an adult till 21 based on drinking laws. And most families(that can) support their kids do till they atleast get out of college.
Sueing his family would insure they never profit from a book or movie deal. |
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jman
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And most families(that can) support their kids do till they atleast get out of college |
ya but parents aren't legally obligated to support their kids after the age of 18. |
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TheMachine1
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KimJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| We can call them selfish, but they are grieving. I don't agree with their actions or viewpoint, but I won't go as far as calling them names. |
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SteelMaiden
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| jman wrote: | | ya but parents aren't legally obligated to support their kids after the age of 18. |
It really depends what country you're in. I don't know much about that legal age, but I do know that in some countries the legal age for intercourse is as low as 14 and in others its as high as 20!
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walk-in-the-rain
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| jman wrote: | | walk-in-the-rain wrote: | | The lesson they want to teach is fear of people on the spectrum and to try and ban them from speaking together unsupervised by "neurotypicals". I wonder if they are going to be getting together with the curebie groups soon if they are not allready. |
Technically they can't do that... first amendment
But this is total bullsit, this case will be thrown out for sure. Nobody really did anything wrong here except for the killer himself. These selfish people have no leg to stand on. |
Technically they don't have to it - but if there is a huge financial threat than websites like this could shut down and that WILL in effect stop people with AS from being allowed to speak. And if they win in something like this than others will want all kinds of disclaimers and monitoring and no one will be able to say anything which will in effect make disenfranchised people LESS likely to find any help. |
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IcelandicGuy
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| How the hell can they sue a website ? They´re basically suing all of us for not taking Freund´s rantings seriously. Do they think we can read people´s minds or something ? |
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Eschew_Obfuscation
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Good God! that's... I don't have a bad enough word. It's.. small-minded and selfish and malicious.
ANd while they might not be able to flatly say "people with AS must not speak to each other" cause of the first ammendment, they could indeed make it very difficult. And if enough things liek this happen and get publicized, then we could get branded a "dangerous" disorder wich would mean things would get very ugly very fast.
Since when is is bad to sell a gun to an aspie?! seriously. |
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KimJ
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I read a thread from here from the time it happened, as I didn't belong here at the time. It sounds like a very unfortunate event. But I can say, with being on other fora, that there are a lot of wolf criers out there.
I got really burned by some people who did stuff like that (cried wolf). I just don't take part any more.
I can't believe any sane court would find this website guilty of neglect or whatever. I do know there are forums that will ban you for threatening. But if the person is truly anonymous, then there is nothing tangible you can do. |
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Sophist
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At the time of all this, Will was an adult. He was still living with his parents, yes. But technically an adult and not considered disabled by the state.
Now, if anyone should be sued, my money would be on Will's psychiatrist. I remember Will's posts here and how he was talking about what the Geodon had done to him and was trying to communicate with the pdoc. It sounded like the pdoc was doing just about everything in his power to not give a crap about Will.
Sue the psychiatrist. By law he is responsible for the psychiatric care of Will and should have seen this coming. I doubt it was hard to see that Will was going off the deep end. If Will was on here talking about guns and the blackest of depression and desperation, then that pdoc would've seen that had he seen Will for more than a couple minutes a month for a med check.
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