oh! no no no :-( I didn't mean to do that, or come off liek that. As a friend who loves you I was just trying to share some common stumbling blocks I ... trails off.. damn decisions? who's mad? yeah, were all a bit muddled ... I appreciate all advice. You might say I never take your advice--but when has anybody who has successfully made the right economical new car purchase walked me through the process of new car purchasing? I believe it is a wise decision for my current situation--which most people including you know very little about. I've seen you buy a way too pricey car. I've seen you flit across the country for boys. I've seen you fad on one product after another. I've seen you fail. fail. fail. I just want to see me succeed in one small thing that will securely safeguard my family for the next ten years. metro sounds good. or possibly escort. something with airbags to say the least. my little life spirit will be depending on it through his college years. that's all I meant to say. I have a lot of parenting and making myself 'applyable' and educated going on right now with a whole lot of help from the universe but very little actual help in the right direction from people in general. so off to my safe den to 'think' some more--maybe something will come of it. up at 3 am to walk to that job that is going to put money in my new car payment jar. It's not like I'm going to pay 300+ for a car payment--geez.. within budget already. I love you sister. please dont trip over my honesty. I don't like shining sunshine up everyones butts all the time. some reality tempered by logic is a good thing. goodbye. amber