Sean
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 Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: Can anyone in England tell me WTF is up with this? |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051014/od_nm/fat_dc;_ylt=Arc11RZ7BR8ob0lx4D4l_RSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-
LONDON (Reuters) - A woman struck by a hit and run car driver in northern England said she was told off by a police officer for using the F-word to describe the driver -- "fat."
Mary Magilton, 54, suffered cuts and bruises after being hit by the car which mounted the pavement while she was chatting with friends in Oldham and then drove off, newspapers reported on Friday.
She reported the incident but was ticked off by a police officer when she said the driver of the car was a "fat" woman.
"I was given a frosty look and told I couldn't say that. I could have said lardy, porky or podgy. But I wouldn't dare use those words," the Daily Mirror quoted her as saying.
A spokeswoman for Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the description recorded on the police log of the incident did include the word "fat."
"I don't think she was severely reprimanded," the spokeswoman said, adding GMP had a policy to ensure officers used "appropriate language" that would not cause offence. |
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TheBladeRoden
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| lol lardy and porky are less offensive than fat? |
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NYAspie
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Cor blimey, mate! I just ran over a dirty big swine 'ere!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The British just don't like the word fat they have other words to describe fat. |
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jb814
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| Given the circumstances the woman was maybe a little overheated. Policemen often do wierd things like this, it helps them keep a straight face and appear serious. |
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| if i was describing someone who had run me over, it would be the word that came after "fat" that would cause the most offence. |
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ascan
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Well, you chaps in the US should know, coz lots of that PC crap has been imported from your neck of the woods. You see, it's the Blair regimes own attempt at Newspeak; all branches of the police force now have a list of words that replace the Oldspeak. These words do not carry with them any of the previous connotations that were counter to the all-inclusive nature of the Blair ideology, and that could be used to demolish the illusion that all is fine and dandy in this miserable slum of a country: no more fat people, disabled people or — dare I say it — [deleted coz I don't want to push my luck  ] . Oh gosh, Utopia at last!
And no, ascan's imagination's not getting a little too active; the police really do have those lists. They are also forced to attend regular indoctrination sessions by Blair's commissars, which most detest, but they have no choice in the matter because these days the police force is just another political tool of the ruling elite. |
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duncvis
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| hecate wrote: | | if i was describing someone who had run me over, it would be the word that came after "fat" that would cause the most offence. |
pmsl!!! how true...
Speaking as a member of the horizontally challenged, I don't have a problem with the word 'fat' - it seems that those who do would rather not accept that they are fat. Its a descriptive word for feck's sake.
| ascan wrote: | | these days the police force is just another political tool of the ruling elite. |
Not that I agree with such linguistic window dressing, but hasn't the police force ALWAYS been a political tool of the ruling elite? (The Miners' Strike anyone?)
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ascan
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| duncvis wrote: | | ... but hasn't the police force ALWAYS been a political tool of the ruling elite? (The Miners' Strike anyone?) |
To an extent, but not to the degree it is now, duncvis. But of course, that's just my opinion based on what I see and experience. I guess I'm a bit old fashioned in that I see the police role to be mainly one of catching criminals (muggers, robbers, rapists), and that their resources should be distributed proportionally with regard to the prevalence of those criminal activities. Also, it's my opinion that they shouldn't be wasting the time that you and I pay for being brainwashed by the latest PC-liberal hogwash, so they can harass us for simply saying the wrong thing.
You know, this morning I visited a certain English City on a work related excercise. The place I was visiting was 100 yards from a police station, yet I had to take someone with me, because I couldn't risk being mugged for the equipment I was using. It was a very real concern, in fact a chap there who was doing some overnight security work wore body armour.
That is the situation created by years of wet-liberal thinking foisted on us by both Labour and the Conservatives, and exacerbated by this governments political meddling. |
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| ascan wrote: | | I see the police role to be mainly one of catching criminals (muggers, robbers, rapists), and that their resources should be distributed proportionally with regard to the prevalence of those criminal activities. Also, it's my opinion that they shouldn't be wasting the time that you and I pay for being brainwashed by the latest PC-liberal hogwash, so they can harass us for simply saying the wrong thing. |
In general I would agree with you there, although I don't see training officers not to make cracks about 'pakis', 'puffs' or 'niggers' as a bad thing. Nitpicking over a victim's choice of descriptive language seems a bit over the top.
| Quote: | You know, this morning I visited a certain English City on a work related excercise. The place I was visiting was 100 yards from a police station, yet I had to take someone with me, because I couldn't risk being mugged for the equipment I was using. It was a very real concern, in fact a chap there who was doing some overnight security work wore body armour.
That is the situation created by years of wet-liberal thinking foisted on us by both Labour and the Conservatives, and exacerbated by this governments political meddling. |
The situation you describe is familiar to most of us in the dodgier urban areas of the UK, I can think of numerous places in Leeds and Bradford where this may well happen. However your explanation seems a little simplistic - our cities have been battered by economic decline - and the resulting high unemployment and community damage this caused (Poverty, an explosion in drug addiction, workless families - welcome to the chav generation), social exclusion and the wider decline in civil behaviour which has taken place. I think the 'get what you want now, and f**k everyone else'', and 'I'm alright Jack' attitudes encouraged under Thatcherism, coupled with the bombardment of casual violence and conspicuous consumption foisted on us by the global media, have had more of an impact than merely politically correct policing.
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jb814
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Agree in main with duncvis and point out that although I live directly opposite a Police station there are still muggings and fights due to the pub next door. However if I were to be mugged here the likliehood of it being someone born and brought up here is extremely high (for the reasons duncvis gave) the asian/african communities dont do it.
The police have always been used as tools of the establishment, Look up the history of the Phrase "Bloody Sunday" it was applied to the riots in Trafalger Square when our loving government turned the troops out to shoot the protesters, the police had a field day according to all accounts. Even then they were coached in what it was acceptable to say, mainly in order to show appropriate deference to their "betters". |
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duncvis
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One further point in agreement with jb814 - in case it wasn't obvious from my post, the embattled urban areas I mentioned in my own neck of the woods include many WHITE areas. Where we have problems with Asian/black youths, it is in the form of gangs here, and indirectly drugs. The majority of Asian youths I know are perfectly law abiding and generally better behaved than their 'indigenous' counterparts. However there are several white estates near my home I will not set foot in after dark, and most of the anti-social behaviour, burglary and assaults are committed by white youths. I know race wasn't mentioned by ascan in his post but I thought it was worth mentioning in relation to politically correct policing. 
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| duncvis wrote: | | However your explanation seems a little simplistic - our cities have been battered by economic decline - and the resulting high unemployment and community damage this caused (Poverty, an explosion in drug addiction, workless families - welcome to the chav generation), social exclusion and the wider decline in civil behaviour which has taken place. I think the 'get what you want now, and f**k everyone else'', and 'I'm alright Jack' attitudes encouraged under Thatcherism, coupled with the bombardment of casual violence and conspicuous consumption foisted on us by the global media, have had more of an impact than merely politically correct policing. |
I'm not sure I go along with the economic decline as far as this part of the country is concerned. To be honest, if you want to work, you can (unless you have some disability). But, perhaps part of the problem lies somewhere in the second half of that statement, in that people get a false impression of what is possible, what is realistic, and so when they find they may actually have to do some physical work to earn a crust, they see state benefits, or crime, as less energetic. Yes, it's complex, and you can't assign the cause to one single thing, but I strongly believe that liberal policies are at least partly responsible, or, at the very least, exacerbate the situation. There is a huge mis-allocation of state resources to counter "political" crimes. "Crimes" that are at best debateable, as far as their actual damage to society, or individuals are concerned, and at the worst nothing but a means to curry favour with some minority to gain votes come election time, or to secure more revenue for some arm of the state apparatus, or even to silence inconvenient opposition.
The problems you've highlighted, such as the workless families and the decline in civil behaviour, I think, can be attributed to the abdication of individual, or local community, responsibility and it's transferal to the state. This is encouraged by the state. The more it meddles in our individual lives, the more it becomes a part of them. And so as the next generation grow up, this meddling is seen as the status quo — the way things are as sure as the sun comes up in the morning — they expect the state to look after them, they want it; it's security. All the while, the state, in a bid to maintain popularity, advertises peoples rights; indeed, adds to their rights; but at no time reminds them of their responsibilities. This is endemic in the workplace, and much employment legislation is nothing but another cynical attempt to capture the populace in this insidious situation of dependency: the employer, like the state, becomes a parent; except in this case, unlike the state itself, the employer is liable to feel the full weight of the law if he steps out of line. |
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Why is it you arbitarily oppose every single decent thing this state has brought in over the last 60 years, Ascan?
Can I ask you - are you in employment??
How much of your money goes to the state, if anything??
Would you really benefit if the NHS is privatised tomorrow?
I think you will find that Thatcher was responsible for the decline of the country's civil behaviour over the last 20 years, with the dog-eat-dog attitude that was brought in at the time. People spend too much time earning megabucks and not enough time looking after their kids, who are running rampant.
Fortunately, Thatcher also caused the collapse of the Tory party. Who would ever vote for them again?? |
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