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Spokane_Girl
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I still don't understand what a DNR is? What does it do for the child? 
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Strapples
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| cuddlykittykat wrote: | I am on the fence here, but leaning in Strapples direction. My only cause for pause is that I have been in nursing units (used to work as a nursing assistant) with patients who were on respirators because they did not have DNR's, and now lived in silence, and only because of artificial means. That is a horrible 'life' that can go on for years.
Of course, most of the patients were older than 50. There were a few who were younger, a couple around my age at the time (late 20's), and no children.
I voted no, because I think that she is far too young to give up on, but I also can picture her in the environment I described, and it is a very upsetting picture. This is one of the choices that, as a parent, you hope you will never have to make. |
i agree, if someone is older and on ventilator in comatose and all that i think pulling the plug and seeing what happens is not a bad thing... at that point thats when its time to say "lets pull the plug and see if he/she is a lung fish and can breathe outside the water (ventilator)" and sometimes it happens, someone will start spontanious respiration in those units... i have hear of many cases where that has happened...
but someone this young is far too young to give up on and just needs proper preventative medical care to STOP the coughing fits caused by respiratoratory infections... simple, use very high vitamin and mineral intake and pull out of schools and stay in most of the winter... stay safe!
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catlover02
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Strapples,
I had some trouble understanding your post. Why exactly was Katie's picture taken? Did her parents know that her picture was taken. What is the DNR? Dawn |
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Strapples
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| catlover02 wrote: | Strapples,
I had some trouble understanding your post. Why exactly was Katie's picture taken? Did her parents know that her picture was taken. What is the DNR? Dawn |
it is a controversy going on... they know the picture was taken it was taken because the schools have decided to accept and uphold a DO NOT RESUSCITATE order given by the parent in the even of a medical emergency...
it is because she has severe CP that they put the DNR on her and i think it is completely inappropriate...
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9CatMom
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| How awful! Just because a person has a physical disability, that doesn't mean that he or she can't have a worthwhile life. That little girl looks very bright. |
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Strapples
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EvilKimEvil
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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i dont call dying in choking coughing spasms "peaceful" what a bunch of bullcrap... i would want an ambulance to show up and get the intubation system set up ASAP and get me back alive ASAP! |
I'd probably feel the same way. I can say that because I've nearly died a few times. I definitely wanted to survive, no matter what. And I don't think I'd feel differently if I had cp or something like that. But that's not the point. The point, to me, is that she's a child and she did not make the decision. The part about the family "gaining control" through the decision was especially scary. |
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Strapples
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| EvilKimEvil wrote: | | Strapples wrote: |
i dont call dying in choking coughing spasms "peaceful" what a bunch of bullcrap... i would want an ambulance to show up and get the intubation system set up ASAP and get me back alive ASAP! |
I'd probably feel the same way. I can say that because I've nearly died a few times. I definitely wanted to survive, no matter what. And I don't think I'd feel differently if I had cp or something like that. But that's not the point. The point, to me, is that she's a child and she did not make the decision. The part about the family "gaining control" through the decision was especially scary. |
i do NOT think parents should have this much control over a child...
and if she were my kid i would want her to live no matter what... as long as i could be there with her, i dont care if she was in the hospital... i would just stay in the hospital with her...
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Spokane_Girl
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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The DNR does sound awful. Can't call for help when something goes wrong with the child.  So I voted no.
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Strapples
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Spokane_Girl wrote: | | The DNR does sound awful. Can't call for help when something goes wrong with the child. So I voted no. |
AGREED!!!
the parents should not have done this... i emailed the news paper... and i might after we get a large amount of votes here send (without names) anonymized results and comments... i seek for a court to reverse this decision.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm surprised that it's even legal to have a DNR for a child. I think that adults should be allowed to request DNRs for themselves under certain circumstances, but no one should have the right to choose whether another person lives or dies. It's something that would be clearly illegal in application to a person without a disability. |
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Strapples
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| EvilKimEvil wrote: | | I'm surprised that it's even legal to have a DNR for a child. I think that adults should be allowed to request DNRs for themselves under certain circumstances, but no one should have the right to choose whether another person lives or dies. It's something that would be clearly illegal in application to a person without a disability. |
i am thoroughly surprised that this DNR was actually approved... i do not think adults should be allowed to file a DNR on their child...
i agree that an adult should be allowed to request a CONDITIONAL DNR, BUT NOT A DNR LIKE THIS ONE... CPR AND DEFIBBRILATION ARE NOT BAD THINGS... being in a coma for 6 years on a ventilator now thats DNR material... when i turn 18 i am going to get a DNR stating that if i am on a ventilator and in a coma for more than 6 months to pull the plug, ventilator without coma is fine... but NO ONE should have the right to say whether someone else is allowed to live or die... i do not think this DNR would have been allowed to fly if she were not disabled... the american legal system is a giant turd to me...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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i cant give my opion on this situation because i lack all the facts that the family may have thier motives what they went trough and the girls prognosis but i belive in most situations the familly should decide if they make thier desion out of love i cant say for sure if the familys desion here is out of love and even if it it is is it rational love but what i will say is to restrict a dnr of this type completle is to say that in any situation parents should never be allowed to havea choic over how thier child suffers in live and how they want that suffering to end
so i dont think it be fair of me to vote because everything is situational i cant be a judge on a desion like this
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that poor girl!! i can only imagine how she must feel knowing her parents would rather her die then be given proper care!! then again, she might not know what the DNR sign means, since she's so young.. i wonder if anyone even took the time to explain it to her. i don't think anyone has the right to decide for themselves if another person lives or dies. as far as i'm concerned, standing by and just letting someone die is the same as killing them yourself. and a child, no less!!  i think the ONLY time a DNR should be given is with the concent of the person it's for!! and if that person is unable to make the decision (like, if they're in a CVS) then i still don't think it should be given to a child!! 
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