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gbollard
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| Quote: | | To lessen the danger a bit, I think it would be a really good idea to put the kid's crater well away from the adult's forum and not under it where the kids could look in at the adult forum on the way down to the kid's crater. |
Brilliant point Pandora - Alex/Mods... is it possible to move these?
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SweXtal
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Location: Mora, Sweden
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: Wow. |
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This discussion makes the essence of introvert and extrovert AS. At least do I think so. Now, get to gether and give eachother a big hug and say "anyway, thanks for being you.".
Of course there's things that in some societys can't be dwelled, even if I find it very akward, like being married and having separate rooms for sleeping etc... Wtf, if I love somebody I want to go asleep with her and wake up with her. Otherwise it's just a theatre of "love".
All my three kids is aware of how kids are made, and they don't cry about that, they find it interesting, but is aware of the responsability too. But in the case of drugs, I happily live with the consequences of adult awareness. That means if you try that, You're on your own and See Ya.
I have a lot more to say but I'm darn busy trying to make some christmas food that all of my kids kan eat without being hospitalized... (cow milk proteine, soyaproteine, gluten, egg, fish) |
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Pandora
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| gbollard wrote: | | Quote: | | To lessen the danger a bit, I think it would be a really good idea to put the kid's crater well away from the adult's forum and not under it where the kids could look in at the adult forum on the way down to the kid's crater. |
Brilliant point Pandora - Alex/Mods... is it possible to move these? |
Maybe if somebody other than me said it, they might listen.
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MrMark
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Pandora wrote: | | gbollard wrote: | | Quote: | | To lessen the danger a bit, I think it would be a really good idea to put the kid's crater well away from the adult's forum and not under it where the kids could look in at the adult forum on the way down to the kid's crater. |
Brilliant point Pandora - Alex/Mods... is it possible to move these? |
Maybe if somebody other than me said it, they might listen. |
You were heard Pandora. It's just that Alex/Mods don't think it's as important an issue as you and gbollard do. Nevertheless, your input is appreciated. If you can find a dozen other established members who feel the same, or even just a half-dozen, we will revisit the issue.
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Pandora
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: |
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So you think it's okay for kids to be corrupted? I think you're asking me to do an NT thing by networking but I will see what support I can drum up. I also don't know how difficult it would be to do such a shift.
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MrMark
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Pandora wrote: | | So you think it's okay for kids to be corrupted? I think you're asking me to do an NT thing by networking but I will see what support I can drum up. I also don't know how difficult it would be to do such a shift. |
No, it's just that we don't come to the same conclusions that you do.
We are very responsive to the membership. I consider networking through a web forum to be a very AS thing. If this is an issue for a significantly large segment of the membership, 10 or 20% or more, then I'm confident you will find 1 to 2% who will add their voice to yours.
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wsmac
WP Elevator Operator - What Floor Please?
Joined: Sep 01, 2007
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Location: Humboldt County, Little Blue House on the Hill
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Pandora wrote: |
Maybe if somebody other than me said it, they might listen. |
Pandora, you seem to put yourself out in front quite often like this. I keep seeing where you write about all the people who dislike you and how no one listens to you when I see the opposite.
You seem to take on this role of being a target even when there is no evidence to support it.
People disagree with each other here and elsewhere on the internet and in real life.
This disagreement is not necessarily about you personally... mostly I see it as disagreement about your position in the argument.
I hope someday you can stop holding yourself down with all these false ideas that everyone is against you personally.
| Pandora wrote: | | So you think it's okay for kids to be corrupted? |
This is what I call a cheap shot! You seem to want respect from others here... this is not the way to go about it in my opinion.
I see this as a personal attack on MrMark and that is unfortunate.
I think the moderators do a good job here and do not deserve personal attacks any more than the other members.
Pandora and GBollard spend an awful lot of their time here chastizing other people's interests, posts, and rebuttals to their posts.
Where other people engage in meaningful conversation (except for the 'games' forum which gbollard recently attacked because of 'mindless posts'), you two keep on your crusade to 'Clean Up' Wrong Planet.
While many people have agreed, in part, with some of your desires and ideas, you do seem to be in the minority as far as your campaign here.
You two more than anyone else here launch some pretty harsh attacks at people who are trying to learn and grow.
You have your own sense of morality and of what's decent and seem to push this on everyone here.
I get the feeling that if you could, you would take control and make a sweep through Wrong Planet to rid it of not only posts you deem offensive (despite how the majority here seem to handle them), but of the people who displease you.
If needed, I can go through several recent threads and copy you words verbatum to support my feelings here.
As I said above, there are many times when I have seen people support your ideas and ideals... just not all the time.
I have even done so myself.
When people disagree with your words or position, that in itself does not constitute a personal attack, and it certainly doesn't automatically mean the whole world is against you.
My feeling is that we should all be able to discuss the issues we feel the need to discuss as long as we do so in a legal manner, respecting each other, and respecting the wishes of the person who owns this website.
I advocate for openness instead of suppression.
What gbollard and pandora have been doing lately is calling for suppression... in my opinion. 
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ascan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Pandora wrote: | | ...So you think it's okay for kids to be corrupted? |
A few well-chosen words in the google search over on the left will give them enough corruption to last a lifetime, so I don't see what the problem is. |
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gbollard
K’Anpo no... Cho-Je... whatever.
Joined: Oct 06, 2007
Age: 40
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Pandora, I didn't post anything but did send a PM to the site (Contact Us). So now someone other than yourself has requested it.
wsmac said:
| Quote: | | Where other people engage in meaningful conversation (except for the 'games' forum which gbollard recently attacked because of 'mindless posts'), you two keep on your crusade to 'Clean Up' Wrong Planet. |
Ouch...
Sorry if I'm giving the wrong messages here.
I wasn't attacking it. I was making a feeble attempt a humour - you'll notice that I posted numbers in there too. At least, I think I did, I've got a feeling I may have gotten carried away with the other stuff and forgotten... but that was the intention.
wsmac... you, more than anyone seem to take my posts too seriously... maybe I need to change my avatar to something that makes it clear that I never get terribly serious. Honestly - I'm sorry if I'm annoying you. I'm not trying to... so it must just be my natural aspieness grating.
| Quote: | | You have your own sense of morality and of what's decent and seem to push this on everyone here. |
Actually I have no sense of morality and am fairly degenerate (probably).... a bit... whatever.
I've participated in a number of threads which were less than pristine. 
I'm not trying to push anything on anyone.
| Quote: | | you two keep on your crusade to 'Clean Up' Wrong Planet |
I certainly don't want WP cleaned up, it seems nice the way it is. I'm not terribly supportive of banning things (comments I made which sounded that way were intended to test the waters/public opinion - and we got our answer). I asked Pandora for an alternative solution and IMHO she made a very good comment about placement of the forums.
Since it seems a very simple thing to do...(I'm happy to be told that it's not) and since It wouldn't affect anyone else - wouldn't remove things just make you have to scroll a little further, I don't see what the big deal is.
| Quote: | | If needed, I can go through several recent threads and copy you words verbatum to support my feelings here. |
I know you can... I can remember three places where I've clashed with you (and I don't know why)... I guess you just read me differently to how I wanted to be perceived.
| Quote: | My feeling is that we should all be able to discuss the issues we feel the need to discuss as long as we do so in a legal manner, respecting each other, and respecting the wishes of the person who owns this website.
I advocate for openness instead of suppression.
What gbollard and pandora have been doing lately is calling for suppression... in my opinion. |
Surprisingly, my feelings are pretty much the same so I'll work on curbing posts that seem to be about supression.... (my age does interfere sometimes)... wsmac... how about you work on trying to see us as more balanced rather than extremists...
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wsmac
WP Elevator Operator - What Floor Please?
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Location: Humboldt County, Little Blue House on the Hill
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Okay gbollard, I'll work on my attitude a bit 
I'm not angry although I know my posts can seem that way... I always wish I had used more smilies on my serious posts.
In retrospect, perhaps I could have left names out.
I know there are other folks here who have spoken out about certain topics of discussion on WP.
I suppose lately you and Pandora are the most outspoken ones though, and that has caught my attention.
I certainly want to respect your right to speak your mind.
Sorry I am not catching your humor. Knowing this, I will try to do better and if I have doubts in the future I will pm you to check on it... or at least I will try to remember to
Always feel free to correct me if I misinterpret your writings... that goes for anyone here.
I have stated before and will reiterate now that the folks who post here as Aspies, Adders, family and friends, seem to be drawn here because it is a place they feel they can be understood.
I do not get the sense that the majority of folks are here to learn specifics of Asperger's Syndrome or ADD/HD or Autism.
There is certainly a good deal of medical information that is passed along here, but WP seems to be a 'safe' place for people to be in a crowd where they feel normal.
This is a place where they can then come and socialize, learn, as well as educate while among people they relate well with.
In this vein, we all get the opportunity to lead normal lives where we have friends to share our thoughts with, and not be afraid that how we say something, how we ask something will be used against us to show how 'freakish' we are.
Feeling freakish is something I have seen mentioned here when folks talk about trying to socialize in the 'NT' world.
We are characterized by the medical community as well as general society, as being people who say weird things, say inappropriate things using inappropriate language, and as lacking in good socializing skills with the so-called 'normal' people.
This is why I feel the posts here cover such a wide range of topics and use diverse language, while creating interesting discussions along the way.
I believe we do a disservice to this community when we worry excessively about what the 'other' people may think if some of them read the posts here.
Wrong Planet gives us all a secure place to be understood, and not turned away or ignored.
There are topics that members here are uncomfortable with, or just plain offended by, but every thread is contained in it's own little room, so-to-speak.
We can all make that personal choice to open the door to those rooms or walk on by.
It pains me to see some people calling for the sealing of these rooms because of what's inside them.
Once again, I will add this little disclaimer that certain topics should be kept out of WP... illegal acts that bring harm to others (child abuse as opposed to smoking medical marijuana), unwarranted attacks against people, etc.
I'm all for separating the kid's forums from the adults using greater physical spacing, but I have to say that it seems apparant that kids will explore any open forum they can find... here on Wrong Planet, or elsewhere.
I believe that even the adult topics presented here are mostly well argued/discussed and that any kid who wanders in on these discussions is apt to find much better information here than elsewhere.
Not necessarily from the original post, but from all the replies that follow.
Anyway, I'm on a roll and I should probably stop here.
Thanks for responding to my post gbollard.
I will read everything over again later in the day, just to make sure I don't miss something.
It's late now and this is typically a poor time for me to be writing... my brain needs the rest after work and all
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gbollard
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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wsmac,
I guess we're all aspies being aspies...
Our posts demonstrate a lot about the way aspies communicate in general. We always say less than we intend but use more words than we intend hence our messages are often misinterpreted.
It's something we all have to work on.
I appreciate your post, it's a sign that we can all work out our differences.
I still quite surprised that I'm considered outspoken and possibly prudish... since most of my friends would say I'm one of the worst in that regard. I must really be getting old.
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lau
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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You mean to say I've been waiting here... bucket and mop in hand... and there's not going to be any blood on the floor!
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wsmac
WP Elevator Operator - What Floor Please?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| lau wrote: | | You mean to say I've been waiting here... bucket and mop in hand... and there's not going to be any blood on the floor! |
 Geez! I really hate to disappoint anyone... I always try to make people happy, so this puts me in a quandry...hmmm, what to do, what to do... 
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Pandora
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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OKay, well I wasn't making any cheap shot as you seem to think I was. I was expressing a genuine concern about impressionable children being misled. Now nobody has told me just how easy or difficult it would be to move the Kids' Crater.
I fully realise Alex is a busy person and would accept an explanation that said it would take hours or days to make the change. But instead, I get replies that insult my intelligence ie. "you have been heard", "it wasn't thought important".
I'm not the least bit interested in being "heard" but instead would like to be "listened to" There is a difference between the two terms and I'm surprised that Mr Mark didn't seem to think I would see the difference.
"It wasn't thought important" seems to suggest little thought was given at all and goes along with the comment "your concern was heard" (and no doubt quickly dismissed).
All this idiocy about "learning" and "growing" is but a smokescreen so please afford me credit for the intelligence to see through this smokescreen to the real issues underneath.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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well, MrMark has a point, as it is about a change to make based on multiple requests, not just based on one single person or point of view, without taking his (the mods) own point view into account as well, as I think this is suppose to work.
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