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oscuria
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I got a question about NLD.
What if a person does poorly in mathematics, excells in languages but is horrible at doing presentations and/or public speaking? At which side would he/she be thrown to? |
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LabPet
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: |
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About NLD. I don't know.......
Disorder is a state of entropy.
Still wish another had insight/opinion, or a good guess, as to the role of (lack of) Sylvian Fissure, autism. I'm in the neuroscience field and whilst a correlation exists, no one really knows how or why. Research topic?
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Danielismyname
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: |
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nominalist, whilst I cannot recall his reasons, I believe he means that those with AS "appear" to lack the desire to interact, much like those with autism. This is generally speaking, and oversimplified. AS can range from mild to severe, so those on the mild end probably "appear" to interact because they actually do, it's just odd and eccentric; those on the severe end are like those with autism who "appear" aloof, but many of them may wish to interact with their peers (there's normal people who don't wish to socialize after all), it's just that they cannot at all. Most with AS appear to be of the "severe" type if one looks at that outcome study you so happened to find.
I've seen a few younglings, girls with AS, who failed to interact at all with those outside of their immediate family; when others interacted with them, they appeared aloof.
I'm guessing this article is based on children around early elementary/primary school and/or less; interestingly enough, I've only twice went out of my way to initiate contact with people, one went disastrously, the other went really well. I had others interact with me, and I found common ground in interests, i.e., computer games, sports and whatnot, but I interacted on the basis of mechanics rather than socialization.
Here's his quote:
| Quote: | | [The degree to which Asperger’s kids actually are painfully aware of their trouble making bonds is debated in the literature. Nevertheless, they typically appear uninterested.] |
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| Quote: | | So, how about this for a gross oversimplification? NVLD kids recognize that you exist while they miss the subtext of what you are saying. Asperger’s kids appear behind a plane of glass as they miss the subtext of what you are saying. |
I just asked my mother, and she said at playgroup (4 or so), I never interacted with anyone, nor did I go out my way to initiate contact; she thought it was because they were all girls. So in a way, he is correct in my case (I cannot recall wanting to interact...). |
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oscuria
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| Danielismyname wrote: | nominalist, whilst I cannot recall his reasons, I believe he means that those with AS "appear" to lack the desire to interact, much like those with autism. This is generally speaking, and oversimplified. AS can range from mild to severe, so those on the mild end probably "appear" to interact because they actually do, it's just odd and eccentric; those on the severe end are like those with autism who "appear" aloof, but many of them may wish to interact with their peers (there's normal people who don't wish to socialize after all), it's just that they cannot at all. Most with AS appear to be of the "severe" type if one looks at that outcome study you so happened to find.
I've seen a few younglings, girls with AS, who failed to interact at all with those outside of their immediate family; when others interacted with them, they appeared aloof.
I'm guessing this article is based on children around early elementary/primary school and/or less; interestingly enough, I've only twice went out of my way to initiate contact with people, one went disastrously, the other went really well. I had others interact with me, and I found common ground in interests, i.e., computer games, sports and whatnot, but I interacted on the basis of mechanics rather than socialization.
Here's his quote:
| Quote: | | [The degree to which Asperger’s kids actually are painfully aware of their trouble making bonds is debated in the literature. Nevertheless, they typically appear uninterested.] |
And another:
| Quote: | | So, how about this for a gross oversimplification? NVLD kids recognize that you exist while they miss the subtext of what you are saying. Asperger’s kids appear behind a plane of glass as they miss the subtext of what you are saying. |
I just asked my mother, and she said at playgroup (4 or so), I never interacted with anyone, nor did I go out my way to initiate contact; she thought it was because they were all girls. So in a way, he is correct in my case (I cannot recall wanting to interact...). |
I realized this about myself. I want to interact with people, but if a camera followed me, I'd appear uninterested, aloof, etc. I won't initiate a conversation, and I quite frankly like the "awkward silence".
I don't quite understand the last quote, however. Do asperger children not realize there are other people, or appear as there aren't others around (since it says "recoginze...you exist)?
There are times where I'm in deep thought and just pay no mind to the people around me (off in my own mental world). |
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zen_mistress
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Danielismyname wrote: |
And another:
| Quote: | | So, how about this for a gross oversimplification? NVLD kids recognize that you exist while they miss the subtext of what you are saying. Asperger’s kids appear behind a plane of glass as they miss the subtext of what you are saying. |
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I find this definition confusing. As a child I wanted to interact with others, and did. Yet I also felt like I was behind a pane of glass. i dont know whether that makes me aspergers or NLD.
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Sora
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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I was wondering about this too long before this topic here. NVLD was the first thing suspected (under a different name here), but then taking from my history and the IQ test it was discarded.
Processing speed, spatial IQ and performance IQ higher than the verbal (subtest) score(s). These tests scores don't take other to real life, but obviously I have them in me. Somewhere. Usually, when someone tries to scare me good-heartily, I won't realise and react to the shock and surprise a good five to ten seconds later. At the same time I almost hit the ceiling in the processing part of the IQ test. Odd.
Anyway, this fits we exactly I think:
| Quote: | | It is possible that the AD children in that 20% may have had very high visual/spatial scores, thus masking their over-attention to detail in problem solving. For example, they may have scored very high on the Block Design subtest of the IQ measure (using colored blocks to match a pattern given to them) despite having little or no appreciation of the gestalt; their considerable skill and speed at analyzing detail would have allowed them to use this inefficient strategy effectively. |
That's exactly how I did the blocks test. I looked where each piece would have to be placed, not what the entire red shape would look like.
About the interest in interaction in kindergarten years:
I think this part is rather individual and depends on the child's own current possibilities to cope, the received education and how the family manages. I was an only child who never even met other children outside playgroups. But then, imagine an autistic kid growing up in a family with three or so children. There are entirely different everyday experiences in it. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Hi, Daniel,
That makes sense. Most people used to say that, because of my unintentional formality in social situations, I appeared uninterested (even though I often was). The words and the tone simply did not come out the way I intended. Fortunately, it is not as bad as it used to be, but I still often give off an aura of aloofness.
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zen_mistress
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Linguistic: 8
Logical-Mathematical: 1
Spatial: 5
Bodily-Kinesthetic: 1
Musical: 11
Interpersonal: 6
Intrapersonal: 6 |
I am wondering if I seem NLD by these scores in the 7 intelligences test... I have very low kinesthetic abilities, I kind of feel like Im disembodied really, and my logic/maths score contrasts a lot with my linguistics score.
Is this kind of thing indicative of NLD?
Other peoples scores were very different from mine when I went through the thread.
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nominalist
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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One thing which might be useful to keep in mind is that NLD is not a diagnostic category in the DSM-IV-TR. NLD developed within neuropsychology, not within psychiatry. (The DSM is a psychiatric publication.) Consequently, I would speculate that most people who, from a neuropsychological standpoint, would be treated as NLD would, from a psychiatric standpoint, be treated as either Asperger's or PDD-NOS.
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