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ebec11
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I want to do it...where is it?
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Odin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Personality and autism |
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| Anemone wrote: | I've been studying personality for years, and am trying to find subjects to test a model I have. If people wanted to help me out that would be great. I recruited some subjects from a site for gifted women years ago but that's about as far as I've gotten. I'm probably going to have to pay more conventional people to participate, though, since this sort of thing doesn't seem to interest them (someday when I have money).
But what I'm really posting about is I'm wondering about the range of personalities among autistic people - do autistic people always have unconventional personalities? And if so which ones?
I have descriptions of a type system I've developed here
It's based on Jean Shinoda Bolen's archetypes, but I've seriously rewritten some of her types because they were too negative, or not clear, or whatever. Her work was a good starting point, though. I just want to develop it more systematically.
If people wanted to do my survey, that would be great, or I could post a couple of polls here if people prefer (I think polls have a maximum of 10 choices so I'd have to divide them into two groups: male and female). If you do my survey and you want to, indicate if you've been diagnosed and with what in the comments section. Also please let me know if the forms don't work for you (they're Javascript).
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I'm an Hephaestus, a Myers-Briggs INTP, and an Enneagram type 5w4 sp/sx.
On the Big 3 I was Low Extroversion (1), Low Psychoticism (9), High Neuroticism (20), and Low on the Lie Scale (5)
On the Big 5 I was Low Extroversion (10), Moderate Agreeableness (23), Moderate Conscientiousness (27), High Neuroticism (32), and High Openness (42)
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NeantHumain
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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EPQ-R:
Extraversion: 9
Psychoticism: 5
Neuroticism: 13
Lie Scale: 13
BFI:
Extraversion: 24
Agreeableness: 36
Conscientiousness: 40
Neuroticism: 21
Openness to experience: 40 |
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asperity
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ixochiyo_yohuallan
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I get ENFP/INFP on the Myers-Bryggs test, occasionally ESFP/ISFP, when the questions are too few. The introversion/extroversion is about 50/50, the feeling component is around 75 or more, so is the intuitive component (even though the sensory traits I do have are quite pronounced as well), and the perceiving component is usually up to 75.
I don't remember exactly what I had on the last Big 3 or Big 5 test I did, but as far as I remember, it was low neuroticism (used to be higher when I was a teen), low lie scale, low psychoticism, moderate extroversion, moderate to high conscientiousness, high openness to experience and high agreeableness.
Out of the archetypal female types, I guess I identify most with Artemis, and, to an extent, with Hestia and Demeter as well (I'm an odd combination of the maternal/nurturing and the wildlife-loving/adventurous/androgynous types). |
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cas
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry Anemone, but most of the personalities seem to apply about half and not apply half (Artemis/Athena/Hestia/Persephone/Aphrodite). Maybe they're too specific for me. The decision tree just made me more confused: I don't understand how to take apart and assign value to "what I do" and "who I'm with" separately. Do you know any other way to explain it? |
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Anemone
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A good question. I'm trying to remember how I first figured it out (I started doing personality theory a long time ago, more than 20 years, and at first I found it confusing).
You know the party game in What Color Is Your Parachute? Something similar might work, except the question might be: which group of people the same sex as you are you least likely to have misunderstandings/personality clashes with?
I was most likely to sit next to someone in school who was the same type as me, and I think we were more likely to end up in the same school clubs as well.
When I was young, I wasn't sure who I was allowed to be, so for me another question might have been: who do I wish I'm allowed to be like? (As opposed to: whose abilities do I wish I had?)
I'm sorry this is so much harder than I thought, but I'm glad people are providing feedback. |
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cas
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It does seem like there's a steep learning curve to personality systems (at least for me). I understand Myers-Briggs and Enneagram well enough these days, but still find the other systems confusing. Honestly I can't really answer a lot of your clarifying questions either; I have never really felt that it was a possibility or desirable to be other than who I have been, and I spoke with whomever happened to sit near me in classes. But I could knock off Athena and Hestia as women I have shared persistent misunderstandings and fundamental disagreements with in the past. The other three goddesses seem like the same woman in different moods. When I try to decide between them, I feel as though I have the most in common with whichever profile I read last.
Is there a definitive trait for Artemis, Persephone, and Aphrodite? Or do women who have trouble deciding between them or deciding in general usually fall into one particular category? |
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Odin
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On second thought, I think I fit Poseidon better then Hephaestus, though the best fit would be a new "Prometheus" archetype that fuses the emotional convictions and idealism of the Poseidon archetype and the introversion, technical genius, and communication troubles of the Hephaestus archetype.
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Anemone
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| cas wrote: | | Is there a definitive trait for Artemis, Persephone, and Aphrodite? Or do women who have trouble deciding between them or deciding in general usually fall into one particular category? |
They're the most unconventional types, as far as I know. Aphrodite is bubbly and sociable - she flits around like a social butterfly and everyone likes her, because she likes everyone. Artemis is tougher, thicker skinned, more adventurous, (a classic tomboy) and Persephone is more sensitive and receptive. I never seem to have much trouble telling them apart when I meet them in person. Aphrodite in particular is easy to spot (although I don't know how easily they can spot themselves in the descriptions). |
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cas
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| Anemone wrote: | | cas wrote: | | Is there a definitive trait for Artemis, Persephone, and Aphrodite? Or do women who have trouble deciding between them or deciding in general usually fall into one particular category? |
They're the most unconventional types, as far as I know. Aphrodite is bubbly and sociable - she flits around like a social butterfly and everyone likes her, because she likes everyone. Artemis is tougher, thicker skinned, more adventurous, (a classic tomboy) and Persephone is more sensitive and receptive. I never seem to have much trouble telling them apart when I meet them in person. Aphrodite in particular is easy to spot (although I don't know how easily they can spot themselves in the descriptions). |
 I think a lot of women would be hesitant to say they are Aphrodite because your description is so relentlessly positive. I find everyone interesting, but to find everyone likable is definitely a special and rare quality that I can't claim to have. (If this sounds sarcastic, I don't mean it to. "Special" has become a downgraded word but I don't know of a better one.)
Thank you for your help. I've tried to answer as best I can. |
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Woodpeace
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| I identify most with Persephone among the female types and Hades among the male types. More with Persephone than with Hades. |
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