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NewportBeachDude
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 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Transgender Man Is Pregnant - Can It Get Any Stranger? |
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When I heard this on the news on April 1, I thought it was an April Fool's joke. However, the man was in the news this morning, so I guess it's not a joke. My question is...what defines man vs. woman? He was born a she (female). Was a Lesbian and had reassignment surgery to make her a man. However, the new "he" kept all of his female reproductive organs (uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes) which worked. Then, married a woman and got pregnant via invitro as a man. Why didn't they have the biological woman carry the child? Why did the man take it upon himself to get pregnant? That's what bogles me.
I don't profess to understand everything about transgenders. Many people don't understand it. But, what I do know about it is that people who deal with this feel they are not psychologically the sex they're supposed to be. Therefore, they want to change everything about the offending sex that's robbing them of who they really are. So, why keep the very parts of you that define the offending sex?
I guess people can call themselves what they want. But, in my op, this isn't a man. It doesn't matter that they've sewn on a male body part. And, he can look like a man all he wants, many woman are androgynous or male looking. Doesn't make them men, especially if they've got all of their female organs intack and willfully get pregnant. By nature, women are the childbearers and I don't care if other species can reproduce in both sexes. We are pushing the boundaries of human nature here to the extreme. And, knowing this, how does one explain to the child when he/she gets older and questions, that the father gave birth?
I'm curious to hear what others think if they have opinions on this.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2008/04/04/abc-touts-one-sided-positive-take-pregnant-man |
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Zsazsa
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That "guy" is really sick and only interested in all the publicity. I worry though about all those male hormones he is taking to "maintain" his life as a male and how such male hormones will affect the unborn female child he is carrying. Besides, individuals who feel they must transgender usually switch completely from female to male or male to female...they do not
stay part male and part female.
What will all those male hormones do to the unborn baby he is carrying? He has to be taking enough male hormones to continue living as a guy.
On the Oprah Show, the wife of this "guy" having a baby was ask how they intend to support themselves after the baby girl was
born. She remarked that the couple and newborn will live off the money the "guy" expects to make when he finishes the book he
is writing. The wife also, stated that they will eventually live "in hiding" after the baby is born as people find their behavior so
freakish and outrageous.
I am grateful these people are not my parents! |
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DevonB
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Sorry to say |
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Sorry to say this buy I don't buy it...
When you have sex reassignment surgery they do a complete hysterectomy. You don't get to keep your female genitalia or sex organs and add male organs.
Furthermore, you can't have the levels of Testosterone required to be a FTM taking T and get pregnant. Regular women who create too much testosterone on their own are often sterile.
Too much biology and common sense against it.
She may, on the other hand be a "boi" a woman who has had a breast removal surgery. That way she would still be a woman, often look androgynous and still get pregnant.
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DevonB
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: okay |
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So I watched the little clip...
She may have been taking T (testosterone...) but obviously isn't any more. You will note that breasts have started to develop somewhat in the ultra sound stage...
They did it at home...which means she hasn't completed the sex reassignment surgery and isn't a full man. So therefore...still a woman.
So regardless of what she feels she is inside...physically, she's still a woman.
I could profess to be a mynah bird or a koala bear and have given birth to human children...would that make it astounding? Not really. I am still a woman with female parts. Regardless of facial hair or whether I cut off my breasts.
Whatever... |
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slowmutant
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| This transgender stuff goes against every law of Nature. For that reason I'll never really support it. Indeed, it is freakish. It's blasphemy. Tampering with Nature is something I just can't get behind. |
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That looks like it came out of some weird popcorn flick.
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Prof_Pretorius
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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What's really sickening about this whole thing is how the media keep reporting it as if it was news.
It's a woman who dresses like a man, and she's pregnant.
What's the big deal ?
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PinkieOfDoom
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| I go to Wesleyan University, where sexual identity, gender, orientation are a big topic. THere are more I don't even want to go into because its too confusing (e.g. look up "genderf*ck or flexual). I was completely unphased by the story. I was just impressed by how masculine she looked. I was trying to figure out how it was working before I stopped over thinking and figured out that ze hadn't had the surgery yet. |
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Kaleido
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I know two people who have had a gender re-assignment. I like them both very much. One has had a very difficult time with the hormones and has become very large and depressed and one is happy and a very wonderful person to be around. I think one is now a little too old to have children but the other girl is not and I think I would find it a good thing if she became pregnant, it would do her good and fulfil her as a woman as far as I can tell.
One of the girls is still very masculine in her ideas and how she looks bodily, the larger girl looks very feminine and loves make-up and feminine things and if she had a baby it would seem natural to me. |
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iceb
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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From what I have seen
Where's the problem.
People get well weirded out with transgender issues when they shouldn't. This person quite obviously lives with a male identity with which he is well adjusted is physically female enough to have a child while his wife cannot. where's the problem?
The tabloid press always make a big issue of such things, that is unhealthy.
Being transgendered myself I have a lot of sympathy and think he must have had to make a number of difficult and brave decisions I hope all goes well for him.
As for his child - a child will accept there parent whatever they are and is only a problem for people who have had society's ****ed up rules driven into them.
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Rynessa
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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There's nothing newsworthy about a woman having a baby, and that's essentially what's happening.
A woman can dress like a man, take hormones, change her gender legally, etc., but she still has woman DNA. The same goes for men. Wanting to be the opposite gender doesn't make you it. This is not a man having a baby, it's a woman.
This story reminds me of the South Park episode where the guy wanted to be a dolphin.
All that said, I have nothing against people doing whatever they want with their bodies, and calling themselves whatever they want. Live and let live. |
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DW_a_mom
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I think it is one thing to make a transgender decision for your own happiness when it affects only your life. It is another thing when it affects another life.
I am still not going to judge, but this whole thing feels so morally wrong to me, the adding a baby to the whole equation because "it is my right" (my understanding of a comment "he" made). Heck, we all have the legal right to hate, but that does not mean it is the correct thing to do. I worry that these decisions were not made with a thorough examination of consiounce, or using a firm moral compass.
I have relatives and friends that are within same sex relationships and raising children in their families. That is tricky enough, given the realities of society, but no one is deceiving anyone, and in the situations I know the individuals involved are wonderful parents. Off the beaten track, sure, but it's OPEN, and actually really positive. And, honestly, it's not all that manipulated. Everyone is who they were born as, the way nature made them. In the transgender birth situation, however, it seems a bit sneaky.
Lol, in the end I'm pretty straight laced, but life experience has shown me the beauty of many things I could never accept for myself. Maybe if I met these people I would change my mind. It's happened before ...
But ...
Sometimes I really worry about how far our current world is willing to mess with nature in the pursuit of personal "happiness." At some point, it may come back and bite us. Nature has a funny way of showing us that we can't trump nature's wisdom.
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NewportBeachDude
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| iceb wrote: | From what I have seen
Where's the problem.
People get well weirded out with transgender issues when they shouldn't. This person quite obviously lives with a male identity with which he is well adjusted is physically female enough to have a child while his wife cannot. where's the problem?
The tabloid press always make a big issue of such things, that is unhealthy.
Being transgendered myself I have a lot of sympathy and think he must have had to make a number of difficult and brave decisions I hope all goes well for him.
As for his child - a child will accept there parent whatever they are and is only a problem for people who have had society's ****ed up rules drivven into them. |
Your being transgendered offers a very uniqure opinion on the subject and I thank you for that.
My generation didn't talk about these things. We didn't even talk about gays. You only hear of this stuff now because the media is so open. I think younger people are much more open and accepting.
Kids love their parents, but I do think kids can be very confused and even distraught over things as unusual as this. The kid is going to be bullied and teased mercilessly and there's nothing the parents can do about it now that they're public. If this kid isn't psycholoically strong by nature, I'd hate to think of what could result from that.
I wonder which one will be listed as "mother" on the birth certificate. |
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DW_a_mom
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| NewportBeachDude wrote: |
Kids love their parents, but I do think kids can be very confused and even distraught over things as unusual as this. The kid is going to be bullied and teased mercilessly and there's nothing the parents can do about it now that they're public. If this kid isn't psycholoically strong by nature, I'd hate to think of what could result from that. |
It makes you wonder why they are being so open about it, allowing themselves to be on the news, etc. It does NOT seem that being so will be in the best interest of the child.
ABSOLUTELY, ALL parents SHOULD teach their children to be accepting of others, regardless of family make up, money, race, disability, etc. BUT as parents of kids who are a little different, we know that REALITY and IDEAL rarely meet, and that children get teased every day for things they shouldn't be. This situation IS a big burden to be passing on the child, whether anyone wishes to acknowledge it or not. I cannot imagine allowing my personal wishes to trump what is best for my child to the extent that this couple is.
Maybe that is really the biggest issue. If this was a couple next door, and I only knew about it because we were friends, I probably wouldn't think twice. But to go on talk shows and talk about your "rights?" I can't help but feel the priorities are a little mixed up.
iceb, you can probably rightly say that I'm only thinking this way because it hasn't become common yet. That if I have zero issue with families that are same-sex, why do I feel strange about this one? You know, I can't be sure. I've thought out loud in these posts, and you can fire away at anything you think I'm all messed about it. It's part of the process. Takes a while for our brains to dissect the unexpected.
And I still think that when (if) we go too far as a society in messing with nature, nature will find a way to get us back.
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