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DeaconBlues
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LeKiwi, your interesting redefinition of the word "cure" has come up before. For your reference, from Webster's Unabridged:
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Cure\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Cured (k?rd); p. pr. & vb. n. Curing.] [OF. curer to take care, to heal, F., only, to cleanse, L. curare to take care, to heal, fr. cura. See Cure,.]
1. To heal; to restore to health, soundness, or sanity; to make well; -- said of a patient.
The child was cured from that very hour. --Matt. xvii. 18.
2. To subdue or remove by remedial means; to remedy; to remove; to heal; -- said of a malady.
To cure this deadly grief. --Shak.
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power . . . to cure diseases. --Luke ix. 1.
3. To set free from (something injurious or blameworthy), as from a bad habit.
I never knew any man cured of inattention. --Swift. |
What you mean is a palliative. Referring to something that merely lessens symptoms as a "cure" is akin to claiming that a good shot of morphine will "cure" advanced cancer, because the patient is no longer in debilitating pain.
If we could all agree on a common language, and not go redefining terms used by others, it might go a long way toward helping this discussion reach some kind of conclusion...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| DW_a_mom wrote: |
I realize it isn't an autism cure, but it has been shown to help several children who are autistic. I can see the logic behind it, that a child who feels like crap and is autistic is more likely to retreat than one who is medically healthy, making the appearance of the autism far more severe. |
My 8 year old Aspie son has had various allergies. He is always sniffing, puffy around his face and black shadows under his eyes.
I recently sacked out GP because he wouldn't take his allergies seriously. I have a fabulous new GP!
Anyway, my 8 year old had skin tests and blood tests for allergies. Skin tests are more accurate than blood tests but the blood tests do help.
My 8 year old son was found the be highly reactive (but not anaphalytic) to egg, house dustmites and every type of grass they tested for. He had milder reaction to peanut, wheat and dairy.
When they took his blood they took extra vials that they stored. The GP was able to order more specific tests to sort out which food is causing him problems.
We have a referral to an allergist, but won't get to see her until September 08.
Anyway, we've altered his diet and see the GP next week to find out the results of the more specific tests she took.
My son is extremely fussy in what he eats anyway, so I didn't want to try cutting out any more food without objective evidence.
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LeKiwi
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| DeaconBlues wrote: | LeKiwi, your interesting redefinition of the word "cure" has come up before. For your reference, from Webster's Unabridged:
| Quote: | Cure
Cure\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Cured (k?rd); p. pr. & vb. n. Curing.] [OF. curer to take care, to heal, F., only, to cleanse, L. curare to take care, to heal, fr. cura. See Cure,.]
1. To heal; to restore to health, soundness, or sanity; to make well; -- said of a patient.
The child was cured from that very hour. --Matt. xvii. 18.
2. To subdue or remove by remedial means; to remedy; to remove; to heal; -- said of a malady.
To cure this deadly grief. --Shak.
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power . . . to cure diseases. --Luke ix. 1.
3. To set free from (something injurious or blameworthy), as from a bad habit.
I never knew any man cured of inattention. --Swift. |
What you mean is a palliative. Referring to something that merely lessens symptoms as a "cure" is akin to claiming that a good shot of morphine will "cure" advanced cancer, because the patient is no longer in debilitating pain.
If we could all agree on a common language, and not go redefining terms used by others, it might go a long way toward helping this discussion reach some kind of conclusion... |
I understand that and I agree, I'm just saying you need to be careful when you hear people (especially non-Aspergians) throwing the word 'cure' around, like 'my child was cured' etc. The majority of the time they don't mean an actual cure, they mean the symptoms were lessened if not eradicated altogether, but the autism is probably still there as it can't really be 'cured' as such (not yet, at least, if ever).
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| If they don't mean actually cured, then they shouldn't even use the word. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Jenny McCarthy & Son(Evan Asher) |
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | Ive heard MANY times that Jenny McCarthy's son has "autism". But I cannot help but wonder where on the spectrum he fits. Does he in fact have Aspergers or is he more classically autistic? |
No idea, since Jenny McCarthy thinks that she "cured" her son of autism by using "crystals".
She even had someone fired who suggested her son be tested for autistic traits; she reversed that decision when she went on TV during an Oprah taping.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| TLPG wrote: | | If they don't mean actually cured, then they shouldn't even use the word. |
You just need to remember not everyone is as precise with their language as Aspergians tend to be. Which is where implied meaning comes in... it may not be the exact definition, but it's what they mean anyway and you can surmise it from context. There's no point jumping down her throat for her saying her kid's cured if she simply means his symptoms have responded to treatment, rather than 'cure', because if it isn't what she means then you're effectively accusing her of believing something she doesn't.
See what I mean?
It's frustrating but it's something that happens a lot, you just need to accept it as how people are and then take it from that point.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The problem with using the word "cure" and then using the kid as an example of a child "cured from autism" is that it really can set an unfair burden on the child. What happens if they're a poster-boy for "autism recovery" and they're still not really normal? I can't imagine that kind of pressure. |
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TLPG
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | TLPG wrote: | | If they don't mean actually cured, then they shouldn't even use the word. |
You just need to remember not everyone is as precise with their language as Aspergians tend to be. |
I know - and that's what I meant. It all follows this "curebie" mentality that is holding up and delayed the true understanding of the Spectrum. It results in situations that Srriv345 spoke of above, and that's not on. |
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She's scary-looking! Seriously, in all her pictures, she looks like she's evil or made of plastic or both.
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TLPG
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Thanks, Kim! That just broke my monitor!  |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| TLPG wrote: | | LeKiwi wrote: | | TLPG wrote: | | If they don't mean actually cured, then they shouldn't even use the word. |
You just need to remember not everyone is as precise with their language as Aspergians tend to be. |
I know - and that's what I meant. It all follows this "curebie" mentality that is holding up and delayed the true understanding of the Spectrum. It results in situations that Srriv345 spoke of above, and that's not on. |
I think the use of the word 'cure' with this intentional meaning (to have lessoned symptoms) is of euphemistic nature. I hope I got it right that euphemism = use of language in a way that hugely pronounces the positive.
Instead of the emotional response of 'it lessoned or redirected his/her symptoms' - negative association - 'cured of his/her symptoms' - positive association.
Maybe this is vice versa though. Parent = excited and happy mood, then uses vocabulary that is associated with a positive mood such as 'cure' rather than a vocabulary with a still negative connotation 'lessened' and 'lessened symptoms' = implication that the issue is still present
Because the use of language are influences by moods (as are actions) too.
I think that parents tend to use the word 'cure' because of the above. A least to some degree.
Hm... I just noticed, I automatically think a lot about language. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| TLPG wrote: | | Thanks, Kim! That just broke my monitor! |
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TLPG
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Sora wrote: | | TLPG wrote: | | LeKiwi wrote: | | TLPG wrote: | | If they don't mean actually cured, then they shouldn't even use the word. |
You just need to remember not everyone is as precise with their language as Aspergians tend to be. |
I know - and that's what I meant. It all follows this "curebie" mentality that is holding up and delayed the true understanding of the Spectrum. It results in situations that Srriv345 spoke of above, and that's not on. |
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I think that parents tend to use the word 'cure' because of the above. A least to some degree.
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Whilst I agree - it doesn't resolve the problem. Emotional responses by parents are in fact the root of it - across a number of issues and not just this. That is, it's the emotional parents that are more likely to chase down "cures" rather than make the adjustments needed to the challenge - that is essentially lifelong. For example. |
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LeKiwi
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Sora - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/euphemism Euphemism 
I agree, but we do need to keep in mind that not all parents of autistics are of the 'we need a cure now!' mentality - I know a few, and none of them think that way at all. They're all far more likely to ask me round for a cup of coffee every now and then to see if I can give some kind of insight into a new behaviour their child is doing and see if I can help them out in understanding what their little darling is up to. Which is far more positive to me; they just want to understand their kids, not change them or cure them. They accept them as who they are, which is all you can really ask for, and in doing so are able to support them and care for them so much better.
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my wife recently took our eleven month old son to get his flu shots (one regular and one for h1n1). the pediatrician told her a lot of parents had been declining the shots because of jenny mccarthy.
seriously though..i'm gonna trust a guy that's been through med school above some bimbo actress..i'm just shocked so many parents believe her... |
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