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tweety_fan
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| the scale is inaccurate as it takes the whole body into account, more emphasis should be placed on health rather then how low that reading is. |
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D1nk0
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While women prefer tall men, I notice its mostly tall GUYS who go out of their way to mock and snub short(er) men. Particularly with the MOST inflammatory slur Shrimp  .Ive never heard women rideculing short men as much as saying in personals adds how much they want a tall man. However, I FREQUENTLY hear women mocking the HELL out of fat men and lamenting about how gross they are and how their Hubby's are getting fat and need to drop some pounds OR how fat men are always stalking them online  . |
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yesplease
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: Re: sizeism prejudice against fat women and short males |
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| ford_prefects_kid wrote: | | Interesting note, I suspect the reason many girls might feel uncomfortable with a shorter male is because it naturally makes them feel bigger by comparison. In many a female mind, insecurities translate "big" to "fat." These insecurities are satisfied if they're convinced they are tiny compared to their partner- pretty easy with a guy who's 6' or above. |
I've seen this so to speak. A girl I was interested in stated something along the lines of feeling secure because I was bigger/taller than her, which struck me as bizarre at the time. In retrospect it seems reasonable if assuming the person associates height w/ security. Not that it makes the association valid in any practical way. |
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amaren
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I saw a tv program called 'Human Instinct' today which said that tall men are attractive because they are more likely to be stronger (yes there will be exceptions), and at some point in the past this was needed for protection. Also women of healthy weight are more attractive for more obvious evolutionary reasons - sick people are bad at making and staying alive to look after babies. Also on the human instinct program, I saw that despite the media's obsession with very skinny women, most men prefer a somewhat curvy woman.
I don't think we should criticize people for being attracted to a certain type of person, or call it prejudice - who or what someone is attracted to can be strange and not under one's control. |
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D1nk0
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| amaren wrote: | I saw a tv program called 'Human Instinct' today which said that tall men are attractive because they are more likely to be stronger (yes there will be exceptions), and at some point in the past this was needed for protection. Also women of healthy weight are more attractive for more obvious evolutionary reasons - sick people are bad at making and staying alive to look after babies. Also on the human instinct program, I saw that despite the media's obsession with very skinny women, most men prefer a somewhat curvy woman.
I don't think we should criticize people for being attracted to a certain type of person, or call it prejudice - who or what someone is attracted to can be strange and not under one's control. |
That sounds about right amaren. Im suprised the program didnt explicitly state why fat people are considered sexually unattractive. Statistics have shone that Obesisty is a sign of bad genes because it coincides with a whole host of health problems. I wonder if women view fat men as having a greater potential for impotency or at least low virility. |
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serenity
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| amaren wrote: | I saw a tv program called 'Human Instinct' today which said that tall men are attractive because they are more likely to be stronger (yes there will be exceptions), and at some point in the past this was needed for protection. Also women of healthy weight are more attractive for more obvious evolutionary reasons - sick people are bad at making and staying alive to look after babies. Also on the human instinct program, I saw that despite the media's obsession with very skinny women, most men prefer a somewhat curvy woman.
I don't think we should criticize people for being attracted to a certain type of person, or call it prejudice - who or what someone is attracted to can be strange and not under one's control. |
I agree. You can't exactly help what your attracted to. Personally, a man's height is of no importance to me whatsoever, but weight is another story. I am just not attracted to overweight men. My husband is 5ft 4in, and I think he's extremely attractive. Guess I don't feel a need to be protected.  |
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sojournertruth
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| There's quite a difference between being 'not attracted to someone' and 'treating someone as inhuman trash.' Gay men are, by definition, not attracted to women - and yet we tend to get along fantastically well with them. |
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amaren
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| sojournertruth wrote: | | There's quite a difference between being 'not attracted to someone' and 'treating someone as inhuman trash.' Gay men are, by definition, not attracted to women - and yet we tend to get along fantastically well with them. |
Good point, sojournetruth, I now see the original post is about how short men and fat women are mocked for failing to be what most people are attracted to. This does seem like a problem - we should be able to separate what we are attracted to and who we are kind to. |
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VioletClementine
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I can totally relate...I'm 5'5, 125 pounds, and I have a distinctly curvy and very female body--little waist, big hips, big bust. I'm hourglass, which was considered to be the ideal shape many years ago
But I have yet to find a guy who finds my shape attractive. Every guy I've liked has encouraged me to lose weight...and several have suggested I get plastic surgery! I don't see what's wrong with being a curvy--not heavy--girl...but everyone seems to think that having an hourglass shape is "unhealthy" or something that needs to be "fixed".
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D1nk0
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| sojournertruth wrote: | | There's quite a difference between being 'not attracted to someone' and 'treating someone as inhuman trash.' Gay men are, by definition, not attracted to women - and yet we tend to get along fantastically well with them. |
Tis true. What I notice is that many Gay Men express solidarity with (straight)women, which I think is silly since they're still men even though they're gay. I do not consider it "unmacho" for guys to be attracted to the same sex and Im amazed a lot of gay guys buy into this and affect effeteness. |
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sojournertruth
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Not being a gay man, I cannot speak for them; however, I suspect that they are simply abandoning some of the negative, burdensome aspects of patriarchal culture since they cannot enjoy the benefits of it anyway. Not all gay men, by the way, are into feather boas et all. In fact, Of the gay men I have known, only a minority of them get into that - and then only for partys and 'special' occasions.
As far as why gay men and hetero women are natural allies, I think it's easy: there is neither the potential for sex between friends nor the competition for partners between friends. A gay person and a straight person can treat each other as human beings, and be attracted (not in a sexual way, obviously) more purely on the basis of harmonious personality traits and mutual likes than any other two people. I don't know if it works as well between straight men and gay women. |
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D1nk0
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| sojournertruth wrote: | Not being a gay man, I cannot speak for them; however, I suspect that they are simply abandoning some of the negative, burdensome aspects of patriarchal culture since they cannot enjoy the benefits of it anyway. Not all gay men, by the way, are into feather boas et all. In fact, Of the gay men I have known, only a minority of them get into that - and then only for partys and 'special' occasions.
As far as why gay men and hetero women are natural allies, I think it's easy: there is neither the potential for sex between friends nor the competition for partners between friends. A gay person and a straight person can treat each other as human beings, and be attracted (not in a sexual way, obviously) more purely on the basis of harmonious personality traits and mutual likes than any other two people. I don't know if it works as well between straight men and gay women. |
What bothers me about effete men(Gay OR Straight) as well as some straight women is their tendency to engage in passive-aggressive behaviour Since they're not physically aggressive and/or macho like straight guys they become socially aggressive instead. I do not believe that gay men are *wired* this way, I think it is a learned behaviour. Many gay men seem just like regular guys to me-except not overtly macho; especially gay men who are beyond their 20s. |
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 True but I also find a lot of straight men who if not more are socially aggressive.
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D1nk0
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| MissConstrue wrote: | | True but I also find a lot of straight men who if not more are socially aggressive. |
Thats why I said effete Men and not exclusively GAY men! |
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| I am a petite female that has difficulty finding jeans in my size because they changed the number on the size. Also, I've had some really rude comments for being skinny from random strangers. Anyone can be a "sizist" |
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