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| slowmutant wrote: | Finally, I got an answer. Albeit in a very roundabout and convoluted, and indecisive kind of way. Did we have to go through all that, really?
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Okay, glad to have your input on this, Herr Freud. But aren't you a really old white-haired Austrian guy and not a punk-rock purple mohawk dude? 
Everybody on this thread has insinuated that I totally made up this ebony/ivory phenomenon. I can assure you I did not. I regret posting it now. I figured it would safe be in the Older Adult Issues section ... |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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This isn't something I'd worry about personally. Not all black men (or women) go after women outside their race but even if they do, so what?
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Black men like white women because of many reasons. Its a status coup to date a white girl for many black men. There is a kind of elevation of status when a black man is able to not only sleep with, but to date and even to marry a white girl.
Also, black men like bigger women. They like the curves, the fat ass, the beauty of a woman who is not shaped like a boy. And because of this, many white women who have been rejected by white society as being less than perfect, find the attention of black men irrisistable.
There is also a very distinct charm that black men have. The differences between men from the Islands and African men are huge, and each carries a cultural and ethnic charm and set of mannerisms that is very different from white men. And this is also for many white women, very attractive.
So, yes black men do seek out white women, but white women also seek out black men.
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A black man explained to me his personal preference; its that black girls are more likely to have 'attitude'
I still question whether its a real statistical phenomenon or its just percieved that way by some (for whatever reason) |
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MissConstrue
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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^Actually I have heard that too.
I better get outta this thread.
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Scheherazade
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yep. I'm a white girl, curvy, and I get a lot more black guys who hit on me than white guys. That said, black guys on average are more forward than white guys, so that may affect the average. White guys are more subtle, flirting with someone who flirts back (i.e. someone wo makes eye contact - which is a weakness of mine), whereas black guys are more willing to call out to anyone with a nice butt. But I think there are more black guys who hit on me than there are black girls who flirt with my brother.
Maybe it's a status thing, who knows. But I also wonder if it might also be an attitude thing. In the African-American culture it's typical for women to be very dominant, on average more dominant than white women tend to be. Maybe black guys who hit on white girls are looking for a chance to be more dominant in the relationship. That, or they just like big butts.  |
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I have a particular interest in "political correctness" causing people to distort reality, so this strikes me as an interesting question.
Firstly, the question is asking "Why...", but is the assumption really true? Some quick Googling found this: Statistics On Interracial Relationships
Which totally supports the claim as in 73% of black/white relationships (in the US), it's a black husband and white wife. Also interesting in that in Asian/White relationships, it's the other way around, mostly white male.
I don't think it's a status thing. This is totally anecdotal, I spent several years living in inner-city multiracial areas and just about all of the mixed relationships I saw were with quite low status white females. Also remember that the 73% statistics is about Marriage, I've known several white women with black children, but never known one who actually married. I suspect it's more to do with 'attitude'.
Clearly black women do not find white men very attractive. The question is why???
Perhaps black men haven't been so badly affected by having the ideals of feminism inflicted on them? I was indoctrinated to believe that you should treat male and female alike. It's taken me decades to realise that most women don't really want to be treated like men!
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| Scheherazade wrote: | | In the African-American culture it's typical for women to be very dominant, on average more dominant than white women tend to be. |
That might be true, I've noticed alot of black women have very negative and stereotypical views of white women (i wont repeat some of things ive been told by black women for obvious reasons) which would backup your theory of black women being more dominant then white women. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| When I started this thread, I was not looking for a series of exhaustive statistical anaylses. I am not interested in stats but in exchange of ideas. Everybody can put the stats away. |
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ManErg
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| slowmutant wrote: | | When I started this thread, I was not looking for a series of exhaustive statistical anaylses. I am not interested in stats but in exchange of ideas. Everybody can put the stats away. |
Doh!!!! I was only trying to help you as many respondents doubted your initial claim. One percentage figure is NO WAY "exhaustive statistical analysis". What value is an idea if there is no evidence to support it?
Talking of ideas, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the obvious reason, which is that black man are well known to have something of great importance that is bigger than white men  (Double Doh - just realised that the Good Doctor did mention it, ah well)
Or that white women are so fickle and impossible to satisfy, they develop a belief that only someone exotic, distant and mysterious could ever be good enough for them. The result is that to men of any culture other than white, white women are known to be 'easy'.
Sorry for not presenting any evidence to back this up, but it would obviously just confuse the issue.
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I agree totally with finding the exotic and mysterious attractive. I personally have always found black women generally more pleasing on the eye than white. I'm sure many repressed poor white male specimens feel the same.
However, this cross-cultural attraction isn't working in all cases as black women clearly don't find white men (and perhaps asian men) exotic at all.
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Slowmutant the reason that you got stick is because your thread title is a loaded question. Let's first look at the validity of that statement, because it is a statement as well as being a question. Do black men go after white women? Some do, some don't. It would have been much better if you had of asked 'Why do SOME black men go for white women?' Do you see what I am getting at?
Anyway to answer the question, my stepfather who is black says that in his experience white women are easier going. With black women he said it was often the case that you would have to ask them out many times and be rejected each time until they eventually said yes. I don't know if this is an insecurity issue or a power issue. I suspect a little of both. Personally, if I asked someone out and they said no that would be it. I wouldn't bother trying again. Even if I knew it was part of the game as I don't like playing games.
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However, this cross-cultural attraction isn't working in all cases as black women clearly don't find white men (and perhaps asian men) exotic at all. |
Actually I have found the opposite to be true in my case and I think I am in a fairly good position to comment as I am half-white and half-chinese. I get more attention from black women than I do from white women, quite a lot more! I think part of it may be the fact I am mixed race so maybe they don't think I will reject them on grounds of predjudice. And I see more and more black women dating white men. This wasn't always the case but it's certainly seems to be going that way.
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| aries wrote: | | I get more attention from black women than I do from white women |
I always have too. I would've gone out with them but I would have never heard the end of it, my family is very touchy about that sort of thing. 
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Is this really true? Can you say that people do not date outside their race and that is shameful to suggest otherwise? I see nothing sterotypical or demeaning in broaching the subect of interracial dating. I am not against it. I don't wish it would stop or that people dating outside their race be punished. It was an innocent question. |
It's not shameful to suggest otherwise. . . it's obvious that interracial dating happens.
However, for those of us who are for whatever reason accustomed to viewing the world in a somewhat less race-oriented way, it seems like rather an odd question. Why are black men attracted to white women? Why are any men attracted to any women?
When groups of people come together, some of them will choose to pursue each other romantically. That's simply how it works.
Why wouldn't some black men be attracted to some white women?
This is why your question appears odd. . . it comes from the assumption that for some reason such an attraction or such a persuit would not happen. . . and many of the reasons that fit that mold have some sort of racist undertone, at least. |
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