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| Do you think it's possible for ALL Aspies to become financially independent and live in their own house? |
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| Yes, they just have to get off their asses and do something with their lives! |
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| No, some aspies just aren't "wired" to join the workforce and meet the requirements which allows people to become independent. |
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nomnom_hamster
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Joined: Dec 08, 2007
Age: 20
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I had an apartment of my own, but now I live with a roomate who is willing to help out now and again. I have my own job, have had since I was 15/16.
It keeps getting harder and harder to afford things though.
Things in the U.S. economy aren't going great right now, and it seems like everytime I go to the grocery store or wallyworld, the prices have gone up about 10c more.
That doesn't have much to do with aspieness though.....
How do most of you get those office jobs??
I've noticed quite a few people on here have them, and I keep thinking about how nice it would be to have my own cubicle and desk and stuff  |
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juliekitty
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| nomnom_hamster wrote: | | How do most of you get those office jobs?? |
(1) Higher education that sets you apart.
(2) Temping - a temp job is more likely to take a chance on someone who seems a little odd; once you're in and prove yourself, a lot of places won't care about your quirks.
I got by on #2 until I went to #1.
| nomnom_hamster wrote: | | I keep thinking about how nice it would be to have my own cubicle and desk and stuff |
Heh, be careful what you wish for.  |
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krex
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Joined: Jun 21, 2006
Age: 44
Posts: 4973
Location: Village of the Damned
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I get a little upset with some older aspies(and yes, at 44, I am one) having some bias that..because they did it, all aspies should do it and if they don't then it is because they are just to lazy or coddled.
This is a "spectrum" the diagnoses does not measure "spectrum" it just gives you a blanket label. It does not quantify you as aspie1, aspie2, aspie3, according to your function level and it certainly does not take into account co-morbids like dyslexia, auditory processing disorder, physical ailments.
So...just because one aspie worked hard and suffered and managed not to starve does not mean that ALL aspies can achieve the same if they are just willing to suffer more.
I have pushed myself to the point of break-down(physical and psychological) and had the lowest paying, dirtiest jobs available and still would have starved with out occasional intervention and help from social services and my parents. Someone may have made it inspite of their difficulties because they had strengths that help compensate. Not all aspies are science wizs, engineers or tech genuises. I have been doing crap jobs for 28 years and will continue to do them as long as I am able but it does catch up to you when your in your 40's and your body can no longer keep up with the 20 year olds that you work these menial jobs with.
There has never been a job that I "slacked at"....I give my all. I have still been fired for not "fitting in" and I think that has become more and more difficult as the jobs shifted from industrial and agricultural to service industry where they demand that you be able to read NVC, be a team player(though I see little evidence in my co-workers ), and have good people skills..ie...(smiling in all the right places), executive function and muti-tasking. The world has become even more NT in just the past 28 years that I have been working. Have you lokked in the want adds lately? These put us at a disadvantage. The senory issues add to these problems. Many of the co-morbids that are COMMON but not an actual part of the DX...eliminate some of the options that some aspies may have.
It is a SPECTRUM. Don't judge all aspies based on where you are on it.
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NOBS
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Joined: Apr 20, 2008
Age: 45
Posts: 59
Location: Alaska
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hi All;
It would seem I have found a "debate" partner here. (giggle) Thank you.
First of all, I define things strictly. Financial independence= the ability to provide for ones basic needs without external unearned assistance. Owning a home= owning ones dwelling.
I have difficulty connecting on an emotional level, because I just don't spend much time there. Therefore, other peoples "theory of mind" doesn't work so well with me. So what I'm stating is: Krex I think you are assuming what I'm assuming. I assume your assumptions are in error.
Perhaps, a metaphor would clarify my position.
In any race, someone has to come in last. The race is not over untill the last contestant crosses the finish line. None the less, for any one participant, the race is over either when they cross the finish line, or when they quit. Even the person who came in last has achieved a personal victory! Lesson learned: Quiters never win; winners never quit.
There is a very strong corrilary between expectation and result. Therefore if you expect to fail, you probably will. Conversely, your chance for achievement is directly tied to your expectation of doing so.
There are many people who are profoundly more disabled than I, yet have achieved far more than myself. As aspies, I think many of us need to take "The road less traveled", and will be beter for having taken it.
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krex
Phoenix
Joined: Jun 21, 2006
Age: 44
Posts: 4973
Location: Village of the Damned
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| NOBS wrote: | Hi All;
It would seem I have found a "debate" partner here. (giggle) Thank you.
Your welcome.
First of all, I define things strictly. Financial independence= the ability to provide for ones basic needs without external unearned assistance.("Unearned assistance"....Does that include all the wealthy people who send their kids through college or have the connection to get them better paying jobs even if they are morons....(Yes, President Bush...I am refering to you  )
Owning a home= owning ones dwelling.
I have difficulty connecting on an emotional level, because I just don't spend much time there.(Oh you should..it is sooo fun)
Therefore, other peoples "theory of mind" doesn't work so well with me. So what I'm stating is: Krex I think you are assuming what I'm assuming. I assume your assumptions are in error.(Assume away)
Perhaps, a metaphor would clarify my position.
In any race, someone has to come in last. The race is not over untill the last contestant crosses the finish line. None the less, for any one participant, the race is over either when they cross the finish line, or when they quit. Even the person who came in last has achieved a personal victory! Lesson learned: Quiters never win; winners never quit.(I would like to see the scientific evidence of this...sounds to me like "folk wisdom")
There is a very strong corrilary between expectation and result.(Oh, I know this one....dream it or visualize it and it will become true,lol) Therefore if you expect to fail, you probably will. Conversely, your chance for achievement is directly tied to your expectation of doing so. (Believe it or not...I wasn't born a pessimist, life experince taught me that lowering my expectations would limit the psychihc pain of constatnly trying, failing and feeling worse for it...it's a compinsitory psychological defense mechanism)
There are many people who are profoundly more disabled than I, yet have achieved far more than myself.(How do you define disabled or achieve...how do YOU measure it?) As aspies, I think many of us need to take "The road less traveled", and will be beter for having taken it....(You sure use a lot of clashas for an aspie)
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..Thank you.
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Brittany2907
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Being finantially independent, sure. Living in your own house, sure. All aspies, no. But hopefully more than not.
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nomnom_hamster
Sea Gull
Joined: Dec 08, 2007
Age: 20
Posts: 205
Location: USA
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| juliekitty wrote: | | nomnom_hamster wrote: | | How do most of you get those office jobs?? |
(1) Higher education that sets you apart.
(2) Temping - a temp job is more likely to take a chance on someone who seems a little odd; once you're in and prove yourself, a lot of places won't care about your quirks.
I got by on #2 until I went to #1.
| nomnom_hamster wrote: | | I keep thinking about how nice it would be to have my own cubicle and desk and stuff |
Heh, be careful what you wish for. |
I work fast food right now.
I have to smile and be overly friendly to the wonderful customers. 
Sure, people would bother me in my cubicle.
But they are people either have to get along with or people that I work for. Same thing now, except there's a possibility I wouldn't have to work with customers...
I'll check into temping somewhere if I don't get a raise like I should be in the next month or two.
Oh... And I don't think its possible for all aspies to be independent. Not all NT's become independent either, though. |
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LostInEmulation
Penguin
Joined: Feb 11, 2008
Posts: 1226
Location: Germany
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Aspergers independence poll (might be controversial) |
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| pat666rick wrote: | Do you think it's possible for ALL Aspies to become independent? (Financial and housing independence)
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No, I don't think so... I mean... do all NTs manage to do that? Not really! There are many things which are involved in this issue: culture (in Saudi-Arabia only VERY few women will become independent, Aspie or not), upbringing, other disabilities or challenges (metal and physical), good old luck, but also the personality of the person in question.
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ADoyle
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Joined: Dec 17, 2005
Posts: 634
Location: Southern California, USA
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One issue for many Aspies is simply getting the job in the first place, as employers tend to rely on interviews for hiring, so if you don't do well, you're not going to get the job. Even after you get a job, there's a chance that you could get laid off when sales aren't as high as expected. With the economy and housing crisis, there are plenty of NT's who aren't fully independent. I think that the housing crisis was caused by those sub-prime loans and ARM's that mostly NT's got because they didn't read the fine print when signing the application.
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Bobcat
Snowy Owl
Joined: Dec 09, 2004
Posts: 140
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| Living independently has been very important to me. Always. I've made it priority one. With some luck and a lot of work, I live independently, and comfortably at last. At enormous cost. One only has so much energy to go around. I spent more time getting ready for work that others spent on building relationships and starting families. Families and relationships - that stuff is incredibly stressing for me. As others have pointed out, the co-morbid conditions are tough too. Like depression. That one is a beast for me. So. I don't expect everyone to be able to live independently. I consider myself enormously fortunate that I've been able to do it, but it's cost me too. But it was worth it. Everyone has different circumstances. The beauty of Wrong Planet is we can share. We can help each other get through it. Even thrive. I like that. |
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Anemone
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Joined: Mar 18, 2008
Age: 43
Posts: 655
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| CottlestonPie wrote: | | I voted no, not because of AS, because there are not enough jobs to go around. Not everyone is going to be financially independent, AS or not. |
This is a pretty important point. How many countries have a full employment policy? Most use economic theories that emphasize efficiency over full employment (though the poorest countries can't afford to do that so they maintain their informal economies, e.g. subsistence agriculture, as a necessity, just to keep people from dying). Business likes having permanent unemployment - it makes the workforce easier to push around.
And then there's the year you enter the workforce. 1960s or 1980s? Makes a big difference.
Another problem is the whole model that everyone should work outside the home. Everyone. That's ridiculous. Back when we were hunter-gatherers, there were always people who stayed back at camp and did the housework/childcare. Unpaid labour today but essential for the survival of the species. And given that women are bioengineered to be moms (especially as young adults) expecting them to have the hunting instincts so important to work outside the home is unfair. Women have always been poorer than men. Holding everyone to a single (male) standard is unfair.
Economically, we're not really individuals. We're members of families. Interdependent, not independent. As long as you have something to contribute, why do you have to be able to be a breadwinner? |
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Warsie
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Age: 17
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Location: Chicago, IL USA
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Yes-I want to try an internet T-shirt selling business using the current crazes and the like. Or to get a computer job, or to try to see the forumforcreaticsstudy.
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pineapple
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Location: san francisco
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I can't tell if it's my AS or the economy. I'd like to think I'll be totally independent once I find a job...but that's a big "if".
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Tim_Tex
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I agree that most of them can be financially independent, but not all of them.
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tailfins1959
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The question is rigged! You could ask "Do ALL cats have one head"? or "Do ALL rivers have water"? where no would be the correct answer.
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