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MissPickwickian
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| Fred2670 wrote: | | Gromit wrote: |
Mexican immigrants cross the border to increase the "Lebensraum" of the master race? I didn't know that. Well, you live and learn. |
Thats right.. live and learn baby
dont believe it?
Google this:
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada
(rough translation)
“For the race everything, outside the race nothing" |
The Mexicans are not organized enough to perpetrate a genocide of white people. There may be extremist Mexicans (there are always extremist anythings), but most illegal immigrants are just trying to improve their lives a little. That does not make illegal immigration okay, per se, but it makes it less threatening than most people tend to think.
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sartresue
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: "______ is responsible for the Holocaust" |
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Caustic Ideas topic
There are many roads to the Jewish genocide known as the Holocaust.
There are many roads that lead to any genocide. This is a very complex topic and one I have been studying for forty years.
Characteristics of states and nations prone to racism and genocide.
The following characteristics were developed from my extensive research over a forty year period, and written after reading the highly informative book by Dwork and Van Pelt entitled Holocaust: A History (2000). No one characteristic can be viewed in isolation, and such generalities may invite criticism. However, taken as a whole, these characteristics can serve as a warning to those studying conflict-prone countries and governments in a contemporary context.
1. Recent Statehood (especially less than fifty years).
2. Arbitrarily set geographical borders (e.g. Balkan states)
3. Political and Economic instability (internal and external regimes influencing each other)
4. Small or non-existent middle class, large underclass and small, yet very wealthy upper class. Clash of classes can and does occur
5. History of political violence and rapid change of government via military coups; one party states without free elections
6. Xenophobic, isolationist and militaristic government policies
7. Perceived threat of cultural minorities (leading to scapegoating)
8. Confusion of state and nation; trying to regain a perceived loss of identity/culture
9. Belief in right to annihilate perceived political/economic threat, either internal, external, or both. Such ideas are often entombed in books such as mein kampf
10. Loss of territory due to war and/or land concessions
11. Weak/non-existent domestic Bill of Rights and/or refusal to concede to Universal United Nations Human Rights
12. Tendency to revise history to suit prevailing mythology, no separation of church/state, i.e. that the church is the state and vice versa
One of the posters made a statement at the bottom of his post that Baby Boomers are the cause of all the world's ills. I could say the same thing about my parents. 
An interesting topic, MissPickwickian.
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marshall
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I don’t think it’s possible to identify a single philosophy that lead to Nazism. It was definitely a combination of a bunch of cultural elements. With such a vfickle subject it’s difficult to get a true honest intellectual analysis. Everyone likes to use the Nazism as tar baby to stick the political opposition.
People on the right tend to paint materialism and Darwinism as the root of nazi ideology while people on the left like to paint military nationalism and social conservatism as the root. In reality I think all of these ideas were partially responsible, but the people making the arguments aren’t always too intellectually honest IMO.
While there was definitely was a strong element of materialism in the eugenics movement, the right is mistaken when they make the claim that Nazi materialism was a secular movement. The Nazi’s may have perverted some Christian ideals, but they certainly didn’t oppose the Christian religion. Christian anti-Semitism was still alive and well in Nazi Germany. |
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Fred2670
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| MissPickwickian wrote: |
There may be extremist Mexicans (there are always extremist anythings), but most illegal immigrants are just trying to improve their lives a little. |
I agree..
if what you mean by "trying improve their lives a little" involves taking advantage free healthcare, welfare, education and numerous other American taxpayer funded social programs intended to aid lower income Americans only.
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That does not make illegal immigration okay, per se, but it makes it less threatening than most people tend to think. |
Believe what you will but make no mistake, what is happening on the southern border is nothing short of war. When will we wake up and realize that the rights of Americans are being jeopardized by the citizens of a foreign nation, who are siezing the opportunity (by abusing the benevolent and generous nature of those such as yourself) to gain a foothold and apply pressure designed to consume and bankrupt our country? At what point will the rights of American citizens on American soil finally be protected?
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Fred2670
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Poland.. I mean California.. has already fallen.
Arizona is next and will be followed by France
..or Colorado rather
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MissPickwickian
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| Fred2670 wrote: | Poland.. I mean California.. has already fallen.
Arizona is next and will be followed by France
..or Colorado rather |
Nazi comparisons=cheap
My post was all about how cheap Nazi comparisons are. Must you put your foot in your mouth so?
Fred2670=paranoid
I'm for stopping illegal immigration, dude. I just don't believe in a massive Mexican conspiracy to conquer the world. Also, white people are still in charge of California. Ahhh-nold is Austrian, and you can't get whiter than that.
P.S: "taking advantage of American free healthcare"---WHAT free healthcare?! Last time I checked, my medicine cost 250$ a month. And poor people (the vast majority of illegal immigrants are very poor) cannot even afford my level of insurance. Free healthcare is more of a Canadian thing.
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codarac
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| Odin wrote: | | The rise of the Nazis was the end result of the Romantic Nationalism that started in the early 1800s. |
And the Nazis are now a tool for the demonisation of nationalism by the new power elite in the Western world: the internationalists, who seek to abolish nation states via mass immigration, endless propaganda about “diversity”, and making sure (with support and pressure from Jewish groups) that the Holocaust gets shoved down the throats of schoolchildren, while these same schoolchildren are told next to nothing about the millions who were killed by Communism.
In fact, the Holocaust is so important to the powers-that-be that Holocaust revisionism, which is already a thought-crime in some countries, will soon be a thought-crime throughout the EU.
Why? What do these people have to hide? |
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Ragtime
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I voted "Other", because the Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust.
Hitler bears the greatest blame, but could never have carried it out without
the Nazis willfully obeying him.
Thirdly to blame are the German people, for their being complicit
with the Nazis out of their own hatred for the Jews.
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iamnotaparakeet
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Hitler in a direct sense, Darwin in an excuse sense, and EUROPEAN GREED AND ANTISEMITISM in a general sense.... !
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LKL
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| Fred2670 wrote: | | if what you mean by "trying improve their lives a little" involves taking advantage free healthcare, welfare, education and numerous other American taxpayer funded social programs intended to aid lower income Americans only. |
I'd far rather see my tax dollars going to give health care to hard-working mexican immigrants that to anyone, American though they may be, who shows up at the ED because they've run out of money for alcohol and are now detoxing and want pain meds, or because they have 'vaginal itching,' (it happens, I kid you not), or because they're addicted to heroin and want free morphine, or whatever.
| Quote: | | what is happening on the southern border is nothing short of war. |
*snort*
in your own mind only, dude. I'll believe it when mexicans start blowing themselves up in shopping markets.
EVERYTHING that is currently being said about mexican immigrants was once said about the Irish. |
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LKL
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| Fred2670 wrote: | Poland.. I mean California.. has already fallen.
Arizona is next and will be followed by France
..or Colorado rather |
Ahh, no wonder I am so unalarmed. I am already in an occupied state.
...nevermind that Alta California was Mexican before it was American. |
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skafather84
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| MissPickwickian wrote: | | Fred2670 wrote: | Poland.. I mean California.. has already fallen.
Arizona is next and will be followed by France
..or Colorado rather |
Nazi comparisons=cheap
My post was all about how cheap Nazi comparisons are. Must you put your foot in your mouth so?
Fred2670=paranoid
I'm for stopping illegal immigration, dude. I just don't believe in a massive Mexican conspiracy to conquer the world. Also, white people are still in charge of California. Ahhh-nold is Austrian, and you can't get whiter than that.
P.S: "taking advantage of American free healthcare"---WHAT free healthcare?! Last time I checked, my medicine cost 250$ a month. And poor people (the vast majority of illegal immigrants are very poor) cannot even afford my level of insurance. Free healthcare is more of a Canadian thing. |
actually by law, the doctors are required to give them free healthcare.
but fixing the illegal immigration problem is easy...and it's not a battle or anything idiotic like that. it's just get rid of the corrupt mexican government. the one country that would WELCOME our invasion and we don't take it. it's like the fat chick you refuse to get with even though you know flat out she'd dry you out. |
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sartresue
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: "___________ is responsible for the Holocaust!" |
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| Ragtime wrote: | I voted "Other", because the Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust.
Hitler bears the greatest blame, but could never have carried it out without
the Nazis willfully obeying him.
Thirdly to blame are the German people, for their being complicit
with the Nazis out of their own hatred for the Jews. |
Accepting responsibility topic
As I wrote in a post here, on page five, there are a host of conditions that can lead to any genocide. Not all conditions must be present but analyses of countries who have practised genocide yield many of these conditions that preceded mass murder specifically targeting a group of people.
Saul Friedlander's books: Nazi Germany and the Jews, volumes I and II and The years of Extermination are good sources for the causes and events preceding (and during) the catastrophe known as HaShoah.
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: "___________ is responsible for the Holocaust!" |
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| sartresue wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | I voted "Other", because the Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust.
Hitler bears the greatest blame, but could never have carried it out without
the Nazis willfully obeying him.
Thirdly to blame are the German people, for their being complicit
with the Nazis out of their own hatred for the Jews. |
Accepting responsibility topic
As I wrote in a post here, on page five, there are a host of conditions that can lead to any genocide. Not all conditions must be present but analyses of countries who have practised genocide yield many of these conditions that preceded mass murder specifically targeting a group of people.
Saul Friedlander's books: Nazi Germany and the Jews, volumes I and II and The years of Extermination are good sources for the causes and events preceding (and during) the catastrophe known as HaShoah. |
In simple terms, it is as I laid it out.
In simplest terms, evil in the form of mass hatred was the cause of the Holocaust, thusly:
Attempted extermination of a people is one thing,
but the cruelty involved in the way they did it is quite another.
That cannot be chalked up to anything except evil.
(Not saying you're disagreeing; just stating clearly for the record: evil is real.)
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JerryHatake
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Well my dad's side of the family was killed off by Nazis in what is the present day Czech Republic. Anyway this is a very sensitive matter to talk about.
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