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Warsie
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| nontrivial wrote: | | More than anything, I wanted to present what I would imagine Crawford's side of the story would be. |
Probably something along the lines of "bullying makes you better, it makes you STRONGER, harder and faster. It makes you a man in this society, it wouldn't be fun without it, etc.....
I read a thread on that on Gaia Online just earlier today (doing it for a SCHOOL PAPER lol; trying to see if I coulf find info on the Gaia Longcat and how the site'll be hacked by yhe *chans)
but my point is probably he's justifying it. Hopefully he'll look at it and realize he might have been not the best...
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Warsie
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Now that I read it in more detail, I can udnerstand why a scorched earth plicy is useful given apparently MOST SIDED WITH HIM!
Send in the ACLU if this doesn't get fixed. Exterminatus, Base Delta Zero, whatever you call it kill it with fire (I mean that in a figurative term)
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Warsie
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| velodog wrote: | | You and other Teens are the first generation of Aspies that are going through as Aspies and how you conduct yourselves will affect subsequent generations. That's why a Pyrrhic Victory is unsat. |
I'm sorry, but how is standing up for your rights and aggressively pushing back at the aggressors a 'bad' thing? I never understood this view that people like MLK, etc stated; to be moderate and not radical. I tended to agree with the Black Panthers and Malcolm X more often.
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| Warsie wrote: | | velodog wrote: | | You and other Teens are the first generation of Aspies that are going through as Aspies and how you conduct yourselves will affect subsequent generations. That's why a Pyrrhic Victory is unsat. |
I'm sorry, but how is standing up for your rights and aggressively pushing back at the aggressors a 'bad' thing? I never understood this view that people like MLK, etc stated; to be moderate and not radical. I tended to agree with the Black Panthers and Malcolm X more often. |
Disrupt any class or social gathering you want. Assume any Teacher that desires order in the classroom is the enemy that must be crushed if you want to. Do the same on every job you ever get if that suits you. |
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Warsie
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| velodog wrote: | | Disrupt any class or social gathering you want. Assume any Teacher that desires order in the classroom is the enemy that must be crushed if you want to. Do the same on every job you ever get if that suits you. |
How does that deal with sueing 
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic/trolling or not
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velodog
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Warsie wrote: |
I'm sorry, but how is standing up for your rights and aggressively pushing back at the aggressors a 'bad' thing? |
What specific right was violated here? As an Aspie do you have a right to disrupt a class in session because you did not get to sit with someone at lunch like you wanted to? Do the other students also have the right to disrupt class for similar reasons? |
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Warsie
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| velodog wrote: | | What specific right was violated here? |
"Freedom from Fear"? Freedom not to be picked on by authority?
| Quote: | | As an Aspie do you have a right to disrupt a class in session because you did not get to sit with someone at lunch like you wanted to? Do the other students also have the right to disrupt class for similar reasons? |
she disrupted after his blatantly sarcastic shot at her. He started this, and he has a reputation for this based off what others said. I've seen teachers intentionally provoke this type of thing and intentionally nag and bitch and pick on a few people, it affects all people, not just autistics. And it's not only autistics who would act this way, sometimes they aggressively turn and engage. Also note that often, the autistics aren't the ones who are disrupting class the most. Often it's a large portion of the class, a few people, the ghetto people, etc.
EDIT: Answering your question, I dunno. However, that is not the reason. Being a Pariah tends to spill over into other things. Thinking (rightly, who knows) that a majority of the people there hate you and are out to get you, and the like can affect you.
EDIT 2: Nice way of framing the argument
EDIT 3: Continuing on
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"I lied my head on my desk to give myself some time to cool down. And it was working, too. But over from his desk, Mr. Crawford decided to take notice of me, in his typical, sarcastic tone... "
Crawford - Katie, are you done with your practice test?
Katie - *shakes head*
Crawford - Sleep on your own time and finish it.
This is what got the ball rolling. Crawford knows about my Asperger's and my Section 504 plan (like an IEP). He knows that I'm very sensitive and knows that talking to me like that would make things worse. "
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Disrupt any class or social gathering you want. Assume any Teacher that desires order in the classroom is the enemy that must be crushed if you want to. Do the same on every job you ever get if that suits you. |
Thank you for reminding me that Society needs radical change and workers' rights need to be reaffirmed by that joke.
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Spokane_Girl
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Okay since you think we should have a special rule to disrupt class, then other people should be given the same right. There now, there is no special rules.
Oh I must be trolling then since I am serious and I believe aspies should be treated like everyone else, no special rules. Should I be allowed to speed in my car and not follow the speed limits? Should I be allowed to shove people out of the way at work if I am getting anxiety and I can't wait for the elevators anymore? Should I be allowed to vandelize people's property if they bullied me?
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velodog
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: Re: Harassed by Teacher During Meltdown - READ |
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| Teoka wrote: | I came into AP Government, feeling depressed. You see, some of my friends decided to sit somewhere else during lunch. I couldn't find them, which was stressful, seeing as it was a change in my routine that I didn't expect or enjoy. In addition, they didn't invite me to sit with them, so even IF I had found them, I wouldn't have had the guts to ask to sit with them. I already had the sneaking suspicion that a couple of them had a problem with me, anyways.
I lied my head on my desk to give myself some time to cool down. And it was working, too. But over from his desk, Mr. Crawford decided to take notice of me, in his typical, sarcastic tone...
Crawford - Katie, are you done with your practice test?
Katie - *shakes head*
Crawford - Sleep on your own time and finish it.
I can't say much on what action we plan to take, but let's just say he's gonna have an example made of him >D |
Because she couldn't have lunch with her friends, she refused to take the practice test. She was told to sleep on her own time and finish the test. She continued to refuse to take the test.
Then she refused to leave the classroom. Then the rest of the class vacated the classroom.
What part of this conduct will be construed as not disrupting the class?
What part of this shows Aspies in a positive light?
Do you actually believe that making an example of this Teacher will create goodwill between the other Faculty members and Aspies? |
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velodog
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Warsie wrote: | | velodog wrote: |
Disrupt any class or social gathering you want. Assume any Teacher that desires order in the classroom is the enemy that must be crushed if you want to. Do the same on every job you ever get if that suits you. |
Thank you for reminding me that Society needs radical change and workers' rights need to be reaffirmed by that joke. |
I am a Union Member, we don't make a point of disrupting work just for the hell of it. Any of our members who do so can be sent to the E Board where they can be subject to fine, or in extreme circumstances, expulsion from the Union. |
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srriv345
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I don't think anyone here is questioning the need for teachers to be more compassionate and understanding. They should not be demeaning any student, with or without an IEP. But, none of us were there to see what "really" happened, and I can't help but wonder about certain things. The teacher's original comment to "sleep on your own time and finish the test" doesn't really sound that bad to me. Perhaps a bit abrasive, depending on tone of voice, but teachers are there to facilitate students' work. They cannot just stand there and say "okay" when a student blatantly is not doing the assignment.
I agree with this:
| Quote: | | But that's very easy to say from a distance, when I'm not the one suffering. I can't say that I've never gotten overwhelmed, or been depressed. |
The past month or so I've been working really hard to understand that even though it sometimes seems like certain school administrators are against me in these kinds of situations, they're not. They want to help me, but they also have obligations to other people. I still think they could have handled certain things better, but I'm not going to hate them (as I did at one time) for not putting my wants and needs above everyone else's. |
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Warsie
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Spokane_Girl wrote: | Okay since you think we should have a special rule to disrupt class, then other people should be given the same right. There now, there is no special rules.
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cool; it happens all the time anyway. And normally it's NOT autistic people. However, you forgot what I quoted and strawmaned me:
"I've seen teachers intentionally provoke this type of thing and intentionally nag and bitch and pick on a few people, it affects all people, not just autistics. And it's not only autistics who would act this way, sometimes they [referring to the NTs] aggressively turn and engage [the teacher in arguments]. Also note that often, the autistics aren't the ones who are disrupting class the most. Often it's a large portion of the class, a few people, the ghetto people, etc. "
Basically the Autistics are less of a problem than other examples I referred to.
Also, if I had my way I would radically change and liberalize the education system in general.
| Quote: | | Should I be allowed to speed in my car and not follow the speed limits? |
actually I would raise the speed limit in general to everyone as a law; especially given how they (local + state governments) use it to make extra money
| Quote: | | Should I be allowed to shove people out of the way at work if I am getting anxiety and I can't wait for the elevators anymore? |
Hrm? Simply walk away from the situation, that's what I'd do.
| Quote: | | Should I be allowed to vandelize people's property if they bullied me? |
depends on situation, but frankly I wouldn't blame you for it. Many have done WORSE in responses, autistic or not.
I don't see autistic people having nigga moments, for example. I've seen plenty of other people do that; African-American or not.
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Warsie
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| velodog wrote: | | I am a Union Member, we don't make a point of disrupting work just for the hell of it. |
the OP isn't "disrupting work just for the hell of it". Nice Strawman 
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Then she refused to leave the classroom. Then the rest of the class vacated the classroom.
What part of this conduct will be construed as not disrupting the class? |
Sleeping and regaining composure before continuing the test. Mentally preparing herself.
| Quote: | | What part of this shows Aspies in a positive light? |
nothing, but neither does it for the teacher
| Quote: | | Do you actually believe that making an example of this Teacher will create goodwill between the other Faculty members and Aspies? |
based off the OP, no. But if what she said is correct the faculty already sided with said sarcastic teacher. So there is not noticeable loss; therefore a scorched earth policy seems less of a "horrible" thing if this is correct, or worse.
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Spokane_Girl
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Okay I guess I took you the wrong way then Warsie since you said teachers act that way to everyone and not just autistics disrupt class. I guess you think all of them shouldn't be forced to leave class or the teacher shouldn't have the whole class leave you?
I guess the teacher could have been a little more friendlier instead of being sarcastic.
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Disrupt any class or social gathering you want. Assume any Teacher that desires order in the classroom is the enemy that must be crushed if you want to. Do the same on every job you ever get if that suits you. |
Thank you for reminding me that Society needs radical change and workers' rights need to be reaffirmed by that joke. |
No strawman here, you brought workers rights into the discussion. I simply responded by telling you how my Union handles those who deliberately disrupt jobsites. If you believe that being an Aspie (or not an Aspie) gives you the right to refuse to take tests or otherwise meet academic standards to graduate then go for it. After you successfully finish High School with that formula, then you can mentally prepare yourself by laying your head on the desk and refusing to take tests while in College. And there should be no need to stop there, when you get a job just let them know that you are an Aspie and are therefore free to refuse job assignments at will. |
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