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| rdos wrote: | | Actually, I think it is significant that the third factor in Aspie-quiz seems to be the well-known "g-factor". It explains around 1% of the variance (compare that to 70% of the Aspie-NT aspect). |
General intelligence (g-factor) is widely criticized by cognitive and educational psychologists as presenting an overly mechanistic view of intelligence. It also attempts to bracket culture and socialization.
| Quote: | | So, I think it is both meaningless and impossible to construct a general IQ-test, since there is no significant factor in factor-analysis of broad questionaries that actually can be said to be the IQ-factor. The entire concept of the "g-factor" is grounded in factor-analysis of IQ-tests with too small variation and without first eliminating the much more significant Aspie and NT factors. |
They also generally result in small eta squared values, indicating that little of the variance is explained.
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Just what is g-factor? Is it certain (yet to be determined) abilities that result from certain (yet to be determined) combinations of neurotypical and neuroatypical traits with the end result being that the most common hybrids tend to score better?
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[quote="DemocraticSocialistHun"]Just what is g-factor?
It is the first factor that comes out when you put intelligence tests into a factor analysis program.
| DemocraticSocialistHun wrote: | | Is it certain (yet to be determined) abilities that result from certain (yet to be determined) combinations of neurotypical and neuroatypical traits with the end result being that the most common hybrids tend to score better? |
People that work on intelligence research does not care about neuroatypical traits. They just put whatever traits they think contributes to intelligence into an IQ test and watches the result they get out from factor-analysis. |
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DemocraticSocialistHun
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| rdos wrote: |
People that work on intelligence research does not care about neuroatypical traits. They just put whatever traits they think contributes to intelligence into an IQ test and watches the result they get out from factor-analysis. |
I realize that they are unaware of the NT talents vs. neuroatypical talents. Testing for what is thought to contribute to intelligence sounds a bit subjective and like "flying on the seat of one's pants". What I am getting at is whether or not g-factor is in fact a particular "mix of apple and oranges". With the exception of possible very recent evolution, our potential is limited by genes which come either from H.s.n. or archaic H.s.s.
I decided maybe I should read up on what factor analysis is. From what I've read, I'm beginning to think that the correlations that result in the g-factor are a result of the interaction of not only certain neurotypical and neuroatypical traits but the environment as well. In other words the correlations and resulting g-factor are products of primarily NT hybrids living in their cultures (almost everyone everywhere except most people of African decent and (to a lesser extent?) neuroatypicals which fall outside the normal range in genetics, culture or both).
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"...researchers Carles Lalueza-Fox of the University of Barcelona, Spain and Holger Rompler of the University of Leipzig in Germany announced last week that Neanderthals, who died out 35,000 years ago, had the same distribution of hair and skin color as modern human European populations. By inference, that means that about 1 percent of Neanderthals must have been redheads, with pale skin and freckles."
The Scariest Thing about Neanderthals by Meredith F. Small 02 November 2007
http://www.livescience.com/history/071102-hn-red-hair.html
A book by the author of the above article "The Culture of Our Discontent; Beyond the Medical Model of Mental Illness" has an interesting title too.
http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Our-Discontent-Medical-Illness/dp/0309100666/ref=sr_1_1/104-1883712-0127906?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183728920&sr=1-1
One of reasons the Neanderthal "Theory?" appeals to me is that psychiatry simply pathologizes what it doesn't understand and discounts such possibilities as dysfunctional others in the lives of patients with "mental illness" and dysfunction of society as a whole.
From what I've heard on another forum a while back, all the Neanderthals found so far supposedly had red hair but researchers assume a 1% incidence.
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