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kaytie
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LeahG
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I'm pro-life too. I don't think anyone in the world is anti-life, except maybe murderers and psychopaths.
However, I'm also strongly pro-choice too (definitely not anti-abortion). Obviously.
I find the use of words by the anti-abortion bunch really annoying. |
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amaren
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I think an interesting case to think about is females who have a high likelihood of miscarriage (and know they have this condition).
From the point of view of the pro-lifer, if such a woman has sex, she is doing something which will put a life in danger - she knows that there is a high probability that as a result of her actions, an innocent will die. It seems comparable to drunk driving.
This seems ridiculous to me. I am pro-choice, and I would be interested to see how a pro-life person would respond to this.
Pro-lifers who believe the soul or identity arrives at conception should also consider this - embryos can divide to become twins up to 14 days into the pregnancy. Are twins the same person? Does the soul split? I would think most proponents of theories about souls would find this an unwelcome consequence.
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ebec11
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | Chibi_Neko wrote: | I am pro-choice, because it is the woman's personal choice to keep a fetus or not, pro-choice doesn't mean that everyone is going to get abortions, it means to have the choice to keep it.
I don't like anti-choice people, if I where pregnant, I can do what I want with my body, if you where to say "i'd keep it" then that's great! Get pregnant and keep it for yourself.
I get a kick out of the pro-life protesters, if I had a un-wated pregnancy, I would say "seeing as you want me to have the baby so much...here's an idea, you can have it" that will show them how I feel, how can they expect me to have a baby that I don't want if they are not prepared to take it either, it's like they are saying 'it your problem, deal with it', I also find it funny that concern for the fetus ends after it is born, what about the conditions that it may have to live in? Living with a mother that doesn't want it?
a fetus (1-4 months) is not a baby anyway, it's just a blob of flesh that can grow into a baby if left alone. It has no awareness.
I am not a fan of late-term abortion however, getting a abortion on a viable fetus is like killing a person because it can survive in a incubator and get adopted. There is no excuse for late-term abortions anyway... if you don't want it, get the abortion while the fetus isn't a person yet.
These are just my views however. |
Well said! 
*applause* |
*Adds to applause*
I completely agree with everything you just said!
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TheRani
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I'm pro-life. I believe that extramarital sex is immoral and a very bad idea. I believe that people should not marry unless they are prepared to raise any babies that result from their union. Rapists should be imprisoned for life. Rape victims should receive counseling and arrangements should be made for their baby to be adopted by someone who wants it. If the mother has health problems and cannot carry the baby to term without risking her life, then the baby should be transferred to the womb of a surrogate mother. Every effort should be made to save both the mother and the baby.
I have come to realize that in our sex-crazed world, few people give a crap about my unrealistic beliefs, and most will just do whatever they want, and rationalize their actions in whichever way will let them get to sleep at night. All I can ultimately do is to control my own actions, and live my own life the best I can, according to my beliefs. I'm just a big ball of idealism and defeatism rolled into one.
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LeKiwi
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What about those of us in long-term relationships with the only person we've ever slept with, and the intention of getting married later on? I'm in that situation and don't see anything morally or ethically wrong with it at all - we're in love, we make love, we take care of each other, and we intend to spend our lives together. So what if we're not actually married yet?
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Chibi_Neko
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| TheRani wrote: | | IRape victims should receive counseling and arrangements should be made for their baby to be adopted by someone who wants it. |
You can't really say counseling would help at all because you can't know how it would feel to be a victim unless it has happened to you, no two women are the same, the counseling could help some, but others may reject it, if a woman 'really' dosn't want to carry the child, there is nothing you can do, being pregnant requires life-style changes and some women feel that they should not have to go through, body changes, labor, and birth just because some mad-man wanted a thrill.
The thought of a woman being forced to carry a fetus as a result of rape is almost saying that we are just baby containers and how we feel about the situation dosn't matter.
I would never want to carry a child as a result of rape, chances are the counseling would not help me.
But here is a situation that I have not seen on this thread yet.... lets say the counseling helped the victim and she decides to give it up for adoption, how would the couple feel knowing that the baby they where adopting was a result of rape?
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LeKiwi
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I wouldn't be able to carry a child born out of rape. The idea of bringing the product of such a violent, revolting, despicable act into the world makes me shudder... I couldn't do it.
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TheRani
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | What about those of us in long-term relationships with the only person we've ever slept with, and the intention of getting married later on? I'm in that situation and don't see anything morally or ethically wrong with it at all - we're in love, we make love, we take care of each other, and we intend to spend our lives together. So what if we're not actually married yet? |
I did mention that I consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral and a bad idea. Immoral because it is forbidden by my religion. A bad idea for a host of other quite practical reasons that you can learn about in any abstinence education class, not the least of which being an unforeseen pregnancy that you're ill-prepared for. If you want to delay marriage until later on, I recommend delaying the sex, too. In fact, I highly recommend not having sex at all with anybody, even when you are married to them, unless you're willing to actually have that person's babies immediately. I don't know why I bother posting in these threads. It's not as if anybody's going to want to actually take my relationship advice. 
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TheRani
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| Chibi_Neko wrote: | | TheRani wrote: | | IRape victims should receive counseling and arrangements should be made for their baby to be adopted by someone who wants it. |
You can't really say counseling would help at all because you can't know how it would feel to be a victim unless it has happened to you, no two women are the same, the counseling could help some, but others may reject it, if a woman 'really' dosn't want to carry the child, there is nothing you can do, being pregnant requires life-style changes and some women feel that they should not have to go through, body changes, labor, and birth just because some mad-man wanted a thrill.
The thought of a woman being forced to carry a fetus as a result of rape is almost saying that we are just baby containers and how we feel about the situation dosn't matter.
I would never want to carry a child as a result of rape, chances are the counseling would not help me.
But here is a situation that I have not seen on this thread yet.... lets say the counseling helped the victim and she decides to give it up for adoption, how would the couple feel knowing that the baby they where adopting was a result of rape? |
Perhaps a surrogate mother could be found to carry the baby to term, and then give it up for adoption, in cases where the rape victim was unwilling to go through that. I honestly don't see why adopting the child of a rape victim would be such a horrible thing. If the child is raised by a loving family in a stable environment, there's no reason they couldn't become a wonderful person. It strikes me as extremely unfair that an unborn baby should be regarded as worthless just because their dad was a horrible person.
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Chibi_Neko
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| TheRani wrote: | | I honestly don't see why adopting the child of a rape victim would be such a horrible thing. If the child is raised by a loving family in a stable environment, there's no reason they couldn't become a wonderful person. It strikes me as extremely unfair that an unborn baby should be regarded as worthless just because their dad was a horrible person. |
I don't see why it would be a horrible thing either.... but I can see where concern can be in play when the time comes that the child begins to ask questions. I have no issues adopting a rape baby, but I am not sure what I would say if the child asks about it's biological parents.
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LeKiwi
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| TheRani wrote: | | LeKiwi wrote: | | What about those of us in long-term relationships with the only person we've ever slept with, and the intention of getting married later on? I'm in that situation and don't see anything morally or ethically wrong with it at all - we're in love, we make love, we take care of each other, and we intend to spend our lives together. So what if we're not actually married yet? |
I did mention that I consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral and a bad idea. Immoral because it is forbidden by my religion. A bad idea for a host of other quite practical reasons that you can learn about in any abstinence education class, not the least of which being an unforeseen pregnancy that you're ill-prepared for. If you want to delay marriage until later on, I recommend delaying the sex, too. In fact, I highly recommend not having sex at all with anybody, even when you are married to them, unless you're willing to actually have that person's babies immediately. I don't know why I bother posting in these threads. It's not as if anybody's going to want to actually take my relationship advice. |
I don't see what's so immoral though. Financially and logistically, us getting married now would be near impossible. So we want to wait until our circumstances have changed (plans for which are in the works) and it will be easier. I won't go into our situation but us getting married now would be totally impossible unless we eloped to Vegas or something. Which is probably the worst thing I can possibly think of and certainly not what I'd call 'getting married'!! When the Bible was written people got married far younger and in less complicated circumstances than they do these days - I'm sure some allowance would be made for scenarios such as that which I'm living in! I definitely don't advocate sleeping around and multiple partners, though, I agree with you there. And I'm proud and totally happy with my decision to have waited until I met this man and knew he was 'the one' to do the deed... yes, so I was a lot older than most of my friends were and endured a bit of ridicule, but it was so worth the wait to have the one you know you'll spend your life with.
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LeKiwi
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| Chibi_Neko wrote: | | TheRani wrote: | | I honestly don't see why adopting the child of a rape victim would be such a horrible thing. If the child is raised by a loving family in a stable environment, there's no reason they couldn't become a wonderful person. It strikes me as extremely unfair that an unborn baby should be regarded as worthless just because their dad was a horrible person. |
I don't see why it would be a horrible thing either.... but I can see where concern can be in play when the time comes that the child begins to ask questions. I have no issues adopting a rape baby, but I am not sure what I would say if the child asks about it's biological parents. |
I'd have no problems adopting, but I couldn't have the child myself. I'm the sort of person who prefers ignoring things and not letting them get to me... I can't imagine having a reminder every day for 9 months, and then enduring even more pain at the end of it thanks to the bastard, and THEN having to give up my flesh and blood at the end of it...
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LKL
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| TheRani wrote: | | All I can ultimately do is to control my own actions, and live my own life the best I can, according to my beliefs. I'm just a big ball of idealism and defeatism rolled into one. |
That's called 'realism.' It's the beginning of honor. |
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IdahoRose
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I'm pro-life.
It makes me really sad that Obama is pro-choice, because he's the one I want to vote for due to his plans that could potentially revolutionize the way autistic people live. |
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